[ThunderSleeps]

As I understand it, "excess deaths" are deaths over and above the expected deaths during the same time period. It is tough to pin down because the "expected" number is typically a statistical range. It is a far more accurate count than "anyone and everyone who died with covid-19 or who might have had it - ie. presumptive positive"... It is an acknowledgement that "gosh xyz was going to die anyway of condition pdq...the fact that he/she had covid-19 really isn't a contributing factor."

If this data holds up, boom! Pandemic is *over* it would mean covid-19 is far, far *less* dangerous than even the usual seasonal flu.

[CondorFlight]

“Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

“For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.

“For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.”

[livius]

I read at the very beginning of this that most of the people who died already had less than a 1-yr life expectancy. That is, they had all sorts of health problems, and even among the elderly, a lot of them were already bed-ridden, dying of COPD or congestive heart failure, etc. and wouldn’t have survived the year even without the virus.

My next door neighbor´s mother was 95 and bedridden, on every drug in the universe for her heart, kidneys, etc. (as well as having dementia), and she got the virus...and survived. She lived for another couple of months and has just died, as had been expected for some time. I’m sure she’s recorded as COVID-19.

[KarlInOhio]

If this data holds up, boom! Pandemic is *over* it would mean covid-19 is far, far *less* dangerous than even the usual seasonal flu.

Be careful of apple and oranges comparisons. If you use the "excess death" number for COVID-19 you have to use it for the flu - and many flu deaths are of those with preexisting conditions too.