Posted on 08/03/2020 7:24:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
“The skeleton, she said, likely belonged to a male, 50 years or older, who would have stood somewhere between 5 feet 8 inches (173 centimeters) to 5 feet 10 inches (178 cm) tall.”
Tall, for an ancient, yes?
I don’t know, I don’t drive a Chevy...................
I do.
A 1976 Chevy 1 ton dually with over 348,000 miles on it.
Then you can go check the levee...........I’ll wait here.........
The better the diet, the taller the adult. Also, agriculture stemmed from and led to fixed settlements, and to lower infant mortality, larger family sizes, and less of what is sometimes called diversity in the genome because the same basic number of people spent a few centuries drastically outbreeding those who remained in hunter-gatherer-forager mode. Agriculture led to more, not fewer, food choices and a stable food supply. That in turn led to writing, fine art, and civilization in general.
“extremely rare,” like a reasonable democrat
Many church members still believe this, although later and better archaeological and historical findings disrupt and disprove Wooley's theory.
One extrapolating some supposition based on his premises should not succumb to forming conclusions resting on the same error.
Abraham's and Sarah's location of birth, the "Ur of the Chaldees(mountains)" (from whence the Euphrates flows west) is SanliUrfa/Harran (click here), which lies in the portion of Turkey (=Anatolia) just above the portion of eastern Syria that is now in great distress, an area hundreds of miles northwest of Wooley's "Ur" excavations (click here).
Near Sanlurfa the river takes a wide 270 degree bend that causes it to flow easterly through Iraq. Wooley's "Ur" is built near the far eastern delta of the Euphrates where it exits through Iraq (click here) into the Persian Gulf Between Kuwait and Iran.
The largely Kurdish population of Sanli(glorious)Urfa are in no doubt that their city is Abraham's birthplace, with Harran (named so by his father Terah in honor of his dead son Haran, the place being about 25 miles southwest of Ur, only a few miles on Abram's movement toward Canaan, interrupted by Terah until his death there); being the ultimate residence of Abraham's brother Nahor (father of Bethuel and Rebecca, and grandfather of Laban, the father of Jacob's wives).
The Ur of the Chaldean mountains (the Ar(Ur)menian uplands) Was NOT the Ur of the Akkadians of southern Mesopotamia, which Wooley nisidentified the Ur of the Chaldean people as being the Ur of the Bible, located in Padan-Aram, not the one Wooley found and named.
The skeletons in my basement are not that old.
My aunts serve tea to visitors....
For one thing, I would have to question whether their representation of the 10 Commandments:
could possibly be verified.
As it happens, I had opportunity to deal with Orly Goldwasser's admirable work in Biblical Archaeology Review {{How the Alphabet Was Born from Hieroglyphs, Biblical Archaeology Review 36, No. 2 (March/April), pp. 40–53, 2010}} on the Paleo-Hebrew Sinai inscriptions... admirable but unfortunately duplicating the work of I.J. Gelb, 'A Study of Writing', Univ. Chicago Press, 1952, 1963.
Goldwasser's main graphic can be found in Gelb, pp 122-125, taken originally from Martin Sprengling, 'The Alphabet', Chicago, 1931, p. 28.
All this to say that the Paleo-Hebrew Sinai script, perhaps the beginning of a true alphabet, deserves more attention and the 10 Commandments graphic is quite a leap of interpretation - in my view - but certainly provocative.
Thanks imardmd1. Wholeheartedly agree. Cyrus Gordon strongly advocated for the northern Ur, placing it near Haran; here's more along that line (from the dark recesses of the hard drive, so, probably dead link):
Abraham was from the city of Ur according to Genesis 11:31. The problem is that there are several places called Ur. It is identified as "Ur of the Chaldeans." The problem with "Chaldeans" is that it is a late word used in the Neo-Babylonian times. It is either anachronistic, or this part of Genesis was written after the Exile.
There is no debate over where Haran is located, 10 miles north of the Syrian border in Turkey along the Balikh River, a tributary of the Euphrates River. Haran is an important Hurrian center, mentioned in the Nuzi tablets. The moon god, Sin was worshiped here. If Ur were located in Southern Iraq, why would Abraham travel 60 miles way out of his way to go to Haran?
There are two cities not far from Haran; Ura and Urfa. Local tradition says that Abraham was born in Urfa. Northern Ur is mentioned in tablets at Ugarit, Nuzi, and Ebla, which refers to Ur, URA, and Urau (See BAR January 2000, page 16).
The names of several of Abraham's relatives like Peleg, Serug, Nahor and Terah, appear as names of cities in the region of Haran (Harper's Bible Dictionary, page 373). Abraham sent his servant back to the region of Haran to find a wife for Isaac (Genesis 24:10).
After working for Laban, Jacob fled across the Euphrates River back to Canaan (Genesis 31:21). If Ur were in Southern Mesopotamia, then Jacob would not need to cross the Euphrates. Laban is said to live in Paddan-Aram, which is in the region of Haran (Genesis 28:5-7), which seems to be the same area as Aram-Naharaim, Abraham's homeland (Genesis 24:10).
All this evidence taken together seems to indicate that the Ur of Abraham was in the same region as Haran in Northern Mesopotamia, and not the famous Ur in Southern Mesopotamia.Where was Abraham's Ur?
Institute for Biblical and Scientific Studies
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Urfa is only a stone’s throw southwest (so to speak) of Gobekli Tepe (Potbelly Hill), a very, very ancient site, now being justly popularized. It is thought to be a religious center only, not a residential area. Reckoned to be about the same age as the skeleton mentioned in this article.
Gobekli Tepe is about 12,000 years old.
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Not according to Bishop Ussher’s timeline. So where does the 12,000 cone from, I wonder? Dud thr archaelogists dig up dome carboniferous material? Wood Leather? I’ve read some stuff about GT, but can’t really remember. And right now I’m too lazy to do the literature research.
Bishop Ussher's timeline is neither history nor science, and has no bearing on either.
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