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To: alligator; All

Passing along... I recommend that you do your own research. But if you are here, you knew that already.

I received the below from a friend of mine that has a degree in Toxicology. It is one of the best explanations that I have seen on the zinc connection to HCQ, and viruses. Very well written, and easily digested.

Zinc inhibits replication of virus RNA. Viruses hide in the interior structure various cell structures, in the case of the coronaviruses (not just Covid-19) that's the lysosomes.

Hidden inside the lysosomes, the coronavirus replicates uninhibited as 1) zinc has a difficult time permeated the lysosome membrane 2) the body only has a limited amount of zinc on hand and it gets consumed quickly.

Supplementing w/ zinc is a well known and accepted way of fighting coronaviruses (like the common cold), hence the popularity of over the counter remedy's like zicam and zinc lozenges. Supplementing overwhelms membrane hindrance and allows some zinc to penetrate the lysosome and inhibit replication. A zinc ionophore opens a transport path across interior cellular membranes allowing dramatic increases in zinc concentrations and inhibition of viral RNA. Anyone that says different is wrong - nothing to discuss. Accepted toxicology for 50+ years.

Quinine is about 1/2 as effective as hydroxychloroquine. Typical treatment dosages of hydroxycloroquine are 400mg/day. A typical bottle of tonic water has about 83 mg of quinine, about 10% of effective treatment dosage.

You would have to drink a lot of tonic water, probably incapable of keeping up in a full blown critical Covid-19 infection. As a preventative treatment for a virus that has to get a foothold in your immune system before successful infection takes place, absolutely! Some daily tonic water and a zinc supplement will reduce the likelihood of becoming infected (prophylactic).

Why all the reports of zinc ionophores not working? It's politically motivated case bias - hydroxycloroquine (HCQ) was only given to the Covid-19 patients near death in the New York study and in the VA study. Problem w/ that is what happens when covid-19 overwhelms immune system - it causes the red blood cells (RBC) to purge their heme. This is problematic in two ways - the first is obvious, the lack of heme in RBC prevents cellular respiration (this is why advanced Covid-19 patients have the blackening of their extremities like frost bit victims). The second is due to the release of the heme itself - heme is a free radical and when released from the RBCs causes cellular damage in the lungs. This is what is causing the bilateral pneumonia observed in advanced Covid-19 patients. Once the damage is done eliminating the virus doesn't heal the lungs. Lung tissue is well known to react w/ severe scarring/edema to injuries resulting in many patients passing away from lung damage weeks after being proclaimed "cured". For a zinc ionophore to be effective, it must be given prior to the patient becoming critical. RE-READ that last sentence.

Look for the S Korean and Taiwan studies on hydroxychloroquine given early in infected patients - the treatment was highly effective and they had very low mortality rates despite having very high population densities.


1,414 posted on 05/05/2020 6:10:19 PM PDT by alligator (To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant.)
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To: alligator

Thank you! Facts I did not know about Tonic water. I guess I should keep eating pumpkin seeds for the zinc, and drinking tonic water for the quinine!


1,416 posted on 05/05/2020 6:25:57 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: alligator; All

Rather than Quinine, consider QUERCETIN, a known ionophore that will work with zinc. It’s available as an over the counter supplement. You can take 250mg-1g twice per day.

Elderberries and Onions have Quercetin. My favorite: Sambucus Elderberry Immunity supplement gummies taste wonderful and have the zinc and Vit C. already together.

Quercetin is what the Med Cram doctor who treats CV patients is taking as a prophylactic. Additionally he is taking:

Up to 50 mg of Zinc—50 mg for short term only-that’s the upper limit

Green Tea 1 pill/day

Vit. C - 250mg-500mg twice daily

Vit. D3 - Stop this if you get CV

Melatonin - 1-10mg @ bedtime - studies have shown that one of the most effective things you can do in fighting a virus is to get a good 8 hrs sleep.

Of course amounts taken can vary depending on weight etc. so consult you Dr. This is not medical advice. LOL


1,418 posted on 05/05/2020 6:37:31 PM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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