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Either way, Al-Aqsa is a historical fraud.
1 posted on 04/05/2020 7:01:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

A flying “mule with the face of a woman.”

Is this a mainstream belief?

And if so, are we supposed to treat these people seriously?


2 posted on 04/05/2020 7:04:54 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (*)
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To: SeekAndFind

Rebuild the Temple.


3 posted on 04/05/2020 7:09:10 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (It's official! I'm nominated for the 2020 Mr. Hyperbole and Sarcasm Award.)
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To: SeekAndFind
“… al-Buraq -- a mule with the face of a woman”
4 posted on 04/05/2020 7:10:05 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: SeekAndFind

And this is the ONLY miracle of mad mo documented in the koran.


6 posted on 04/05/2020 7:10:52 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with islamic terrorists - they want to die for allah and we want to kill them.)
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To: SeekAndFind
a mule with the face of a woman

Judging from some of the 'slime women I've seen, how would you know the difference?

9 posted on 04/05/2020 7:20:12 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: SeekAndFind

Islam is a fraud.

The largest delusion to have ever gripped a major portion of humanity for almost 1400 years that has killed hundreds of millions.


12 posted on 04/05/2020 7:49:30 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes I read about Petra previously


13 posted on 04/05/2020 8:09:30 AM PDT by mel (There are only 2 races decent and undecent people)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes I read about Petra previously


14 posted on 04/05/2020 8:11:15 AM PDT by mel (There are only 2 races decent and undecent people)
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To: SeekAndFind

Doesn’t matter. As George Costanza said it’s not a lie if you believe it.


15 posted on 04/05/2020 8:15:31 AM PDT by xp38
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To: SeekAndFind
-- a mule with the face of a woman --

Is that the dog-faced pony Biden was talking about?

26 posted on 04/05/2020 10:13:10 AM PDT by kidd
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To: SeekAndFind

I am past the point where the enirr area should be declared a “no-go zone” for anyone. Jews, Christians, and that goes triple for Muzloids. It should be turned into a crater in the earth down to the mantle.

The reason for this is that we are not going to choose sides, everyone loses.

I understand the arguments from the Jews are legitimate but I am past caring any longer. Because as long as the place exists, the acrimony will never go away. Thus the entire thing should be demolished. The soil, rocks, and every speck of everything on the site scattered into the oceans. The only thing left should be a pit of lava.


27 posted on 04/05/2020 11:51:31 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Life is about ass, you're either covering, hauling, laughing, kicking, kissing, or behaving like one)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good, rase the ground and build the new temple!


29 posted on 04/05/2020 8:33:54 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: SeekAndFind; SunkenCiv

Félix Bonfils (1831-1885): Dome of the Rock 1875 (Where are all the “Palestinians” in their so-called displaced and occupied holiest site?). The Dome of the Rock was originally a Jewish synagogue, and later, a Christian cathedral but was conquered and occupied by Muslims who converted it to a mosque. The entire region was bathing in blood from the Muslim conquest.

I have seen pictures of the surface of the Temple Mount covered with rubble around the time of WWI and the fall of the Ottoman Empire but could not find one today.

Here is a picture of Al Aqsa Mosque:

{above link} but this is after the 1927 earthquake; however it did take some years before the mosque was rebuilt.

31 posted on 04/06/2020 9:30:46 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, In both its construction style and layout, corresponds to a Byzantine-Syrian church with Romanstyle pillars and a cupola, the latter of which represents an element that is typical of Roman-Byzantine stately buildings.

The innermost area is largely preserved in its original state, especially the 240-meterlong inscription band that wraps twice around the Octagon. The script band in the Dome of the Rock with the Kufic inscription of Abd al-Malik. The mosaics are of typical Roman-Byzantine style, but they are arranged forming Persian motifs Transcript of the script-band (excerpt). The script is older than any know Qur’an. According to modern sciences the content is that of an Arab - Christian monotheistic faith

Traditionally, these inscriptions, attributed to Malik, the builder of the dome, are read in a way that echoes basic Islamic ideas, despite the fact that even just a quick-but-unbiased look at them would have to raise red flags about this approach. Apparently, for the longest time, nobody bothered to take an unbiased look—until linguist Christoph Luxenberg came along. He translated the inscriptions by reading them in the language that was used at that time—and triggered off a tsunami in the field of Islamic research. By applying the language of Syro-Aramaic that was used by the writer of the inscription, he brought to light interpretations of key messages that differed from the traditional Islamic translations.

The traditional translation of the inscriptions is:

In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate. There is no god but God alone, He has no associate. Unto Him alone belongs the sovereignty and unto Him belongs the praise. He quickens and He gives death. He has power over all things. Muhamad the son of Abd Allah, is his messenger. God and his angels shower blessings on the Prophet. You believers, ask for blessings on him and salute him worthily. Blessings and peace may be upon him and may God have mercy with him. You people of the Book, do not exaggerate in your beliefs and speak only the truth about God. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was only a messenger of
God and his word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from him. So believe in God and His messenger, and say not “Three.” Cease it. It is better for you. God is only One God. His transcendent majesty needs no son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth, and God is sufficient as protector. The Messiah is not too proud to be a servant of God, nor are the devoted angels. The one who is in high spirits and too proud, He will rally round Him. God, bless Your messenger and Your servant Jesus, son of Mary. May peace be on him the day he was born, the day he dies, and the day of his resurrection. Such is Jesus, the son of Mary, that is the truth which you doubt. It befitted not the Majesty of God to spawn a son, Praise Him. When He decrees a thing He says to Him only: Be. And it is. God is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. That is the rightful path. God witnessed that there is no God but God. And the angels and the learned ones are witnesses to that, too. He provides justice. He is the only almighty and wise God. See, the religion of Allah is Islam. And the ones who have received the Book became disunited by disobedience after knowledge had come to them. And those who deny the signs of God, God is swift at reckoning

In great detail, Luxenberg provides evidence that muhamad is a gerund and could, under no circumstance, be understood as a name—it would be a grammatical impossibility. Historians of other fields have also supported the idea that the name “Muhamad” would be a semantic impracticality, as this name has been shown to have never existed at any time before the birth of Islam. Numerous findings on coins corroborate that this term represented a title but not a name. (Again, the same applies to the expression abd Allah—“God’s servant.” It was an attribute, but it was no name at that time.)

Luxenberg: “The Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, is the messenger of God.” Here, according to Luxenberg, the traditional Islamic translation of the inscription contains something else—an intentional error. The reading of sentence, “The Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, was only a messenger of God” cannot be explained merely as the result of the interpreter having read it incorrectly. It is an obvious and unjustifiable manipulation. And the following passage in the inscription is of particular interest: So believe in God and His messenger, and say not “Three”…God is only One God. His transcendent majesty needs no son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth… Here, the builder of the Dome of the Rock and the author of the inscription, Malik, states that he opposes the idea of the Holy Trinity (“Three”), which is why he considers Jesus as the messenger of God but not as God’s son. The second key passage in the Dome of the Rock’s inscription is represented by the following remark which, in its original form, says: “in(na) d-din(a) llah(i) l-islam…” Traditional translation: “See, the religion of Allah is Islam…”

Din is interpreted as the term “religion,” and “Islam” is referred to as the name of this religion. To Luxenberg and many others, this is a typical misinterpretation that was produced during later centuries. By both its form and meaning, the Arabic din is derived from the Persian den. The meaning of the term den/din at that time corresponded to “the truthful, the rightful” but does not relate to the Latin religio, the religion. While the term religio denotes a formal relationship with God, the term din refers to the spiritual component which enables one to do the right thing, including recognizing the rightful religion. Hence, the relationship of the words is not that the term din means the word religion but rather that religion represents the consequence of the din.

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The dome of the rock was NOT built for what we today call "Islam" nor was it built for what we know as rabbinical Judaism. It was built for a particular religious group that was between Rabbinical Judaism and Jewish Judaism.

Namely that it considered Jesus a great prophet - or even an "adopted son" and that's noted in the text

"Muhammed" i.e. the one to be praised was a term like Chrestos/Christ - and meant for Jesus

In my opinion what happened was:

  1. The 130 year war between the Sassanids and the Romans collapsed their economies in 630 AD
  2. The Romans retreated to the northern border of Syria as they could not maintain the forces in the south while fighting off the Avars in the Balkans
  3. The Sassanid Persians collapsed after Heraclius crushed them and burnt their capital
  4. The Arabs who were vassals of the two superpowers (the Ghassanid and Lakhmid tribes) just moved in and took over
  5. Their belief was mainly Jewish, but with Jesus as a prophet
  6. But then these were replaced by the Marwanid branch of the Ummayads in the 680s AD, they took the term "Muhammad" and made it into a "person" based on mythology and stories of Arab warlords
  7. This expanded under the Abbasids who merged this with Zoroastrian strict dualism - most likely with Zurvanism
  8. This mish-mash became the religion of Islam around the 10th century

38 posted on 12/11/2023 6:39:00 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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