Posted on 03/24/2020 10:11:11 AM PDT by Mariner
Thread #25 here:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3827443/posts?page=1
You would have to quarantine for months to flatten the curve. That will not be feasible. Most people will only tolerate three weeks before they ignore quarantine.
Vaccines will take 18 months.
Treatments ?
Herd immunity only if the young go back to work.
Ya, but it’s Trumps favorite method of scoring the economy. And it’s one he has some control over. As for an engine of economy, no more so than our other casinos in Las Vegas, and on Indian reservations around the country.
Wasn’t aware of that. Thanks for the article.
Just checked, I stand corrected. My apologies for speed reading
Exactly. The old economy is no more. It has to be completely rebuilt, retooled and slimed down. Trying to preserve it will only cost lives.
So much for Russia being immune from the plague...
Putin dons hazmat suit as Moscow says coronavirus outbreak is worse than it looks
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/putin-dons-hazmat-suit-moscow-151551841.html
Those people don’t understand what happens to the economy if 2 or 3% of the population ends up with a million dollar medical bill.
And what happens when those derivative risk pools unwind catastrophically.
Great depression will be the good old days if the latter happens.
It’s like the main ‘get back to work you peasants!’ flubro. Who has a trust fund! What a piker.
We’d better hope those antivirals do the trick. I didn’t hate the trust fund/portfolio people before... but I’m working on it now...
One of the problems with burn through is that at some point it would become politically impossible—even if attempted.
No western government (and we will have to see about dictatorships) can survive mass casualties and total collapse of the health care system, even if they wanted to go there.
That is why Boris finally threw in the towel on it—his staff just ran the numbers and told him he would be voted out of office at best—and hung from a London street corner at worst.
I think people are counting chickens a little too soon.
Patience. Vigilance.
“No one is saying you have to go to work.”
Look at it this way: If you can’t provide reasonable protections to the critical infrastructure workforce, then you have essentially broken the social contract.
What are the consequences of that?
“Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority (of the ruler, or to the decision of a majority) in exchange for protection of their remaining rights or maintenance of the social order.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
Even if you can’t sympathize with the moral arguments against a “burn through” approach to dealing with the virus, can you sympathize with this?
Reserves into the breach. There will be equipment on the bodies of the dead waiting for you. Lol.
No one says they have to work.
You are taking away their choice. They are not slaves.
The early days of AIDS , we had no protection. Finger stick accidents were common because of how needles were designed.
China is ramping up. You want them to be the dominant economy?
It seems to me you are a nanny stater. Stay home if you want. Do not take that choice away.
If they don’t want to risk a million dollar hospital bill, stay home.
The cost investment in home canning equipment doesn’t need to cost much at all. Call around to your elderly friends and they will probably load you up with everything you need just to get it out of their house.
Ask them to set everything outside for pick up and spray it down just in case.
The only two things you need to be aware of is if it gets to the proper temperature and the rubber on the lids is still good. Your county extension agent would normally test the pressure but don’t know that they would these days. It’s probably good. You’d likely know anyway.
By “unchecked”, I mean what will happen if you open things back up and let people go back to work.
The virus is more contagious (higher R0) than the Spanish Flu and will rip through a “back open for business!” population faster than a wildfire through dry brush.
Trump thinks we have problems now? Just open the economy back up, let people go back to work and see what happens.
The problems we have now will look like a nice garden tea party if he is short sighted enough to do that. But, he’s shown pretty much from day one that he is not taking this seriously (even as recently as 3/9 tweeting about flu statistics..my God, how much time we lost in actually getting ahead of this thing).
I don’t expect anyone to be perfect, but Trump was at least 8 weeks late in treating this seriously. And as a result, it’s in every state and growing exponentially. In NY, for example, it’s doubling every 3 days. And that is going to happen in most every state in the next weeks and months.
Your chart explains this Rancho Palos Verdes birthday party:
16 sick following former mayor’s birthday party at Trump National Golf Club Los Angeles — multiple test positive for coronavirus, two placed on ventilators
https://twitter.com/passantino/status/1242523525421780993
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The rich can be _really_ stupid.
One thing is working in our favor. The USA is just so damn big. With limited travel what we are seeing are “hot spots” which Brix referred to as granular. So we don’t have a National Emergency we have umpteen regional hot spots. We have to treat it as a National Emergency unless you want to m obilize the 82nd and quarantine hot spots. That would really raise eyebrows but I would consider it.
Apologies for violating your space but I thought you might like some good news.
Blazing Saddles, I mean Press, claims you cannot even order vitamin C online with delivery anytime soon.
It’s like these posters are TRYING to create berniebros.
Cuz ‘get back to work peasants, my portfolio is suffering! herd immunity even if it half kills and bankrupts you, my portfolio is suffering!’ to people who can’t afford those medical bills is a really SURE way to do that!
They *really* need to read the employee forums at walmart, target and kroger. Cuz they’re not any more anxious to go to work than the ‘self quarantined independently wealthy’ people cracking the whip.
Is that true?
Cuz C is all (like 99%) MIC.
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