Posted on 03/18/2020 4:48:53 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
A statue of the Angel Moroni sits atop the Salt Lake Temple in a 2015 photo. The temple was damaged Wednesday in an earthquake that also dislodged Moroni's trumpet.
(CNN)The 5.7-magnitude earthquake that shook Utah Wednesday morning also dislodged a symbolic part of Salt Lake City's iconic Mormon temple: the trumpet of an angel statue atop its highest spire.
The temple is the spiritual focal point for the 16 million members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
"The trumpet on the Angel Moroni statue fell off, and there is minor displacement of some of the temple's smaller spire stones," said Daniel Woodruff, a spokesman for the church.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
I wish I could fly a plane.
Glad to hear you're hunkered down. Probably the smart thing to do right now.
Ya'll be safe!
Some context surrounding Colossians 2:9:”6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”
See also John 10:22-37
22At that time the Feast of Dedicationb took place in Jerusalem. It was winter, 23and Jesus was walking in the temple courtsc in Solomons Colonnade. 24So the Jews gathered around Him and demanded, How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.
25I already told you, Jesus replied, but you did not believe. The works I do in My Fathers name testify on My behalf. 26But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe. 27My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. 29My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Fathers hand. 30I and the Father are one.
31At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him. 32But Jesus responded, I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?
33We are not stoning You for any good work, said the Jews, but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.
34Jesus replied, Is it not written in your Law: I have said you are godsd ? 35If he called them gods to whom the word of God cameand the Scripture cannot be broken 36then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world? How then can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating that I am the Son of God?
37If I am not doing the works of My Father, then do not believe Me. 38But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father.
I’m not sure if the question of whether or not Christ/God in flesh sharing the same knowledge is relevant. Christ said he did what he saw the Father do. Christ came as the first born second Adam to be an example for all those who follow after him. We are in him as He is in the Father and theirfore we are also in the Father. In God we live and move and have our Being. Christ has access to the Father but said only the timing as to the “times of the end of days” was known only to the Father. We know that Christ as Word in flesh was led by the Spirit so we too, could learn to be led by the Spirit as he was led. So he only spoke the words the Spirit would have him speak. Thus the question of “knowing or not knowing what the Father knows” becomes irrelevant; being part of the fullness of the Godhead,Jesus would only express what that fullness of the Godhead, or the Father would allow him to express.
Such a oneness with the will of the fullness of the Godhead leaves me to believe that at the time of death of Jesus on the cross, to the extent that the fullness of the God-head could ever have died and and be extinguished, it did so through the death of Jesus Christ on the cross. That is how much God so loved the world...that the Father himself would have died for us were it possible, indeed but he sent the sinless son, Logos in Flesh to sacrifice himself for us. Oh how the Ark angels that are said to support the throne of God must have tremble at the grief of the Father.
The very Earth was shaken and darkened and earthquakes shook and the temple veil was ripped in to...as if to say to all men...”Come to me now and I will cleanse you of your sins and make you into my sons and daughters!
He is our example in terms of being obedient to the Father as we are also to be obedient to the father. Christ is with the Father now so that the Spirit could come and teach us the fullness of all things as we have need of those things.
Where are smears? Where is exaggeration?? Where are character assassinations??? Point them out for the jury; just don't pound on the table!
It appears it is remaining silent; just like the FIRST time Joseph allegedly laid eyes on him...
In the spring of 1820, God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith as he prayed in a grove of trees near his home in western New York.This event is known as the First Vision. (To read about the vision in Josephs own words, click here.)No need to click; I'll post it below...
1 Owing to the many reports which have been put in circulation by evil-disposed and designing persons, in relation to the rise and progress of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, all of which have been designed by the authors thereof to militate against its character as a Church and its progress in the worldI have been induced to write this history, to disabuse the public mind, and put all inquirers after truth in possession of the facts, as they have transpired, in relation both to myself and the Church, so far as I have such facts in my possession.
2 In this history I shall present the various events in relation to this Church, in truth and righteousness, as they have transpired, or as they at present exist, being now [1838] the eighth year since the organization of the said Church.
3 I was born in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and five, on the twenty-third day of December, in the town of Sharon, Windsor county, State of Vermont. My father, Joseph Smith, Sen., left the State of Vermont, and moved to Palmyra, Ontario (now Wayne) county, in the State of New York, when I was in my tenth year, or thereabouts. In about four years after my fathers arrival in Palmyra, he moved with his family into Manchester in the same county of Ontario
4 His family consisting of eleven souls, namely, my father, Joseph Smith; my mother, Lucy Smith (whose name, previous to her marriage, was Mack, daughter of Solomon Mack); my brothers, Alvin (who died November 19th, 1823, in the 26th year of his age), Hyrum, myself, Samuel Harrison, William, Don Carlos; and my sisters, Sophronia, Catherine, and Lucy.
5 Some time in the second year after our removal to Manchester, there was in the place where we lived an unusual excitement on the subject of religion. It commenced with the Methodists, but soon became general among all the sects in that region of country. Indeed, the whole district of country seemed affected by it, and great multitudes united themselves to the different religious parties, which created no small stir and division amongst the people, some crying, Lo, here! and others, Lo, there! Some were contending for the Methodist faith, some for the Presbyterian, and some for the Baptist.
6 For, notwithstanding the great love which the converts to these different faiths expressed at the time of their conversion, and the great zeal manifested by the respective clergy, who were active in getting up and promoting this extraordinary scene of religious feeling, in order to have everybody converted, as they were pleased to call it, let them join what sect they pleased; yet when the converts began to file off, some to one party and some to another, it was seen that the seemingly good feelings of both the priests and the converts were more pretended than real; for a scene of great confusion and bad feeling ensuedpriest contending against priest, and convert against convert; so that all their good feelings one for another, if they ever had any, were entirely lost in a strife of words and a contest about opinions.
7 I was at this time in my fifteenth year. My fathers family was proselyted to the Presbyterian faith, and four of them joined that church, namely, my mother, Lucy; my brothers Hyrum and Samuel Harrison; and my sister Sophronia.
8 During this time of great excitement my mind was called up to serious reflection and great uneasiness; but though my feelings were deep and often poignant, still I kept myself aloof from all these parties, though I attended their several meetings as often as occasion would permit. In process of time my mind became somewhat partial to the Methodist sect, and I felt some desire to be united with them; but so great were the confusion and strife among the different denominations, that it was impossible for a person young as I was, and so unacquainted with men and things, to come to any certain conclusion who was right and who was wrong.
9 My mind at times was greatly excited, the cry and tumult were so great and incessant. The Presbyterians were most decided against the Baptists and Methodists, and used all the powers of both reason and sophistry to prove their errors, or, at least, to make the people think they were in error. On the other hand, the Baptists and Methodists in their turn were equally zealous in endeavoring to establish their own tenets and disprove all others.
10 In the midst of this war of words and tumult of opinions, I often said to myself: What is to be done? Who of all these parties are right; or, are they all wrong together? If any one of them be right, which is it, and how shall I know it?
11 While I was laboring under the extreme difficulties caused by the contests of these parties of religionists, I was one day reading the Epistle of James, first chapter and fifth verse, which reads: If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
12 Never did any passage of scripture come with more power to the heart of man than this did at this time to mine. It seemed to enter with great force into every feeling of my heart. I reflected on it again and again, knowing that if any person needed wisdom from God, I did; for how to act I did not know, and unless I could get more wisdom than I then had, I would never know; for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible.
13 At length I came to the conclusion that I must either remain in darkness and confusion, or else I must do as James directs, that is, ask of God. I at length came to the determination to ask of God, concluding that if he gave wisdom to them that lacked wisdom, and would give liberally, and not upbraid, I might venture.
14 So, in accordance with this, my determination to ask of God, I retired to the woods to make the attempt. It was on the morning of a beautiful, clear day, early in the spring of eighteen hundred and twenty. It was the first time in my life that I had made such an attempt, for amidst all my anxieties I had never as yet made the attempt to pray vocally.
15 After I had retired to the place where I had previously designed to go, having looked around me, and finding myself alone, I kneeled down and began to offer up the desires of my heart to God. I had scarcely done so, when immediately I was seized upon by some power which entirely overcame me, and had such an astonishing influence over me as to bind my tongue so that I could not speak. Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction.
16 But, exerting all my powers to call upon God to deliver me out of the power of this enemy which had seized upon me, and at the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destructionnot to an imaginary ruin, but to the power of some actual being from the unseen world, who had such marvelous power as I had never before felt in any beingjust at this moment of great alarm, I saw a pillar of light exactly over my head, above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me.
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the otherThis is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time.
When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, Never mind, all is wellI am well enough off. I then said to my mother, I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true. It seems as though the adversary was aware, at a very early period of my life, that I was destined to prove a disturber and an annoyer of his kingdom; else why should the powers of darkness combine against me? Why the opposition and persecution that arose against me, almost in my infancy?
We can tell what JS' intentions were; but there is NO proof in these words that he actually WAS contacted by GOD.
As anyone can see; the PERSONAGES are NEVER defined and only ONE of them spoke.
The bible tells us how to test the messenger: 1 John 4:1-3
Joseph did NOT do this.
Later in life Joseph tell us how to test the authenticity of a messenger: D&C Section 129:1-9
He did not do THIS; either.
Finally admit it; eh?
Ive never heard of him .... dont know who he is ..... will never meet him ...
I dont even like the color of his tie!!!
What a fine JUDGE of human character you appear to be!
I guess what REALLY upsets you about the '"quotes"' is that they usually come from church LEADERS and shakers!!
But; I KNOW you cannot diss them (oops) or go against what they've taught, as that ole Spirit of Apostacy is nibbling at your nether regions, just WAITING to drag you into HELL!!!
Oh; Wait. Mormonism HAS no hell...
No pigs; but I DO have two personages of the caprine variety.
And four of the feline type. (Although it looks from the size of one of them there’ll be some smaller versions around the barn shortly.)
You can Son; you CAN!!
The BoM is a history book describing all those events. It is quite a wordy read, packed with lots of repetitive and duplicated and redundant material; but the essence of the things; to which you just referred; are all there.
You wanna dig out the gems for yourself or shall I provide all the links you need?
We could ask our Mormon FRiends for them, but they don't seem to be able to find much of anything in their scriptures.
Binger; whatcha think?
Y'all need a dogcatcher down in yer neck of the woods?
Else, pro tip:
IF a particular demon leaves, make sure your goats are not close by...
Mrs Binger is already the delegate from our area in the caucuses. That’s enough for me. Huntsman has been sucking up lately.
Maybe they just have heck. 😁 Actually, I wonder what they think, when they wake up in the flames 🔥 of heck? Perhaps they just say, why is it so hot in here? I cant be feeling this awful heat, this place doesnt exist. 😁 Of course, since mind reading is not permitted by FR rules, I cant assume I know what Joe Smith was thinking, but maybe Joe was really petrified with fear of heck, so he decided he would simply will it out of existence. 🤗
I guess what REALLY upsets you about the ‘”quotes”’ is that they usually come from church LEADERS and shakers!!
So What? What do I care what a Church Leader believes? Everyone in this Church is a ‘Church Leader’ of some sort or another!!! We are a ‘Lay Clergy’ Church.
My Daughter is president of her 1-13 y.o. Young Woman Class!!!
I’m in a high position of my ward!
My Son is 1st Councilor in the Young Mens Class!
My Father is on the Stake High Council!
The only thing in this Church that is doctrine is either scripture or has been signed by all members of the 12-Apostles (which doesn’t happen very often).
Every single utterance that is not official church doctrine is conjecture, personal belief.
You always do this .... thinking that somehow because you quoted someone who was a Church Member ... or even a Church Leader .... that somehow everyone in the Church must conform to that.
Everytime I read one of your posts .... I have to roll my eyes, because you are telling me idiocy theories that just because George Q. Cannon made a statement in 1872 that means it is official church doctrine and its what ‘Mormons secretively believe but wont tell you’.
So .... it’s pretty hard to take most of your posts seriously.
Oh yes .. Elsie ... the Whole 15 Million LDS members go to sleep at night dreading the next post that you make!
....oh .... so .....scary!!!!
I don’t like Mitt Romney .... and currently, I don’t know a single LDS member who likes him after he has done all his crap since Trump got elected.
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After consultation, the judges score this post as a 6.53 on the MPS
[Mormonic Posts Scale].
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Notes:
Only 11 exclamation marks!
This indicates general post weakness in the areas noted below:
To make it to the season finals, a contestant must be worthy, by scoring a sufficient number of Moroni Points. These points are earned by:
1. Including humble bragging
2. Ad hominem attacks
3. Histrionics!!!
4. Mind-reading
5. Logical fallacies
6. Mormon talking points
7. Avoiding answering questions
I don’t think anyone is saying LDA folks are stupid, just sadly misinformed.
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