Utah earthquake damages Mormon temple and knocks trumpet from iconic angel statue

CNN ^ | 1:08 PM ET, Wed March 18, 2020 | Daniel Burke

[aMorePerfectUnion]

A statue of the Angel Moroni sits atop the Salt Lake Temple in a 2015 photo. The temple was damaged Wednesday in an earthquake that also dislodged Moroni's trumpet.

(CNN)The 5.7-magnitude earthquake that shook Utah Wednesday morning also dislodged a symbolic part of Salt Lake City's iconic Mormon temple: the trumpet of an angel statue atop its highest spire.

The temple is the spiritual focal point for the 16 million members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

"The trumpet on the Angel Moroni statue fell off, and there is minor displacement of some of the temple's smaller spire stones," said Daniel Woodruff, a spokesman for the church.

[Elsie]

Your truth meter is broken .... no wonder why you can only attack other peoples faith in Christ with no ability to back up your own.

Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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Wita; you going to comment on DECEPTIVE replies here?

WHY didn't teppe; the great MormonISM apologist; post the ENTIRE 7^th chapter of Matthew?

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Judge NOT???

 

Sigh...

 

Jesus has commanded us to judge!

 

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"Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?... And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?... Do you not know that we shall judge angels?... How much more, things that pertain to this life?.. If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge ? (1 Corinthians 6:1-5).

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Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.

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"But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us" (2 Thessalonians 3:6).

"And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother" (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15).

"Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself" (2 Timothy 6:2b-5).

"Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17,18).

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All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep's skin.

We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so.

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 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."  (John 7:24).

[Elsie]

Elsie .... you truly are obsessed with my religion.

AHHhhh…!

A reach back to days of yore; when men and women of MormonISM were more worthy adversaries!

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

December 11st, 2011

 

URGENT!

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!

I've been getting lots of feedback from those of you on Free Republic (spit) about a certain Colorfornicator (or something like that), who is REALLY giving us a hard time there.

 

Why not try to point out to the uninformed how OBSESSED he seems to be.

 

Let's see if we can tangle him up so much trying to defend his reputation that he'll no longer have as much time to post facts about MORMONism.

 

As always, Tommy M.

[Elsie]

I have never broken my word, frankly I don’t remember ever giving you ‘my word’.

Not to worry; because FreeRepublic REMEMBERS!!!

Utah earthquake damages Mormon temple and knocks trumpet from iconic angel statue

3/24/2020, 12:04:08 PM · 214 of 362
teppe to aMorePerfectUnion; Elsie; caww

I love discussing the gospel of our Almighty God, and our Lord, Jesus Christ .... however, I’m also a working man .... so please excuse my delay in getting back to you....as I have bills to pay.

If you desire responses to my beliefs I will reply only to Biblical or LDS scripture (Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price).

I have no-interest in discussing the latest anti-mormon fake news (innuendo, non-LDS doctrinal opinions/speculations, conspiracy theories, or exaggerated character assassinations).

So with me ... Scriptures talk .... Bull-Shaving-cream walks!

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However; there IS a fix for your problem:

[Elsie]

Teppe, I wish you well, but your posts have demonstrated issues that make me not want to interact with you further.

Interacting with an organ grinders monkey is fun for a while; and then the thing tends to get all bitey on ya.

[Elsie]

There’s still wita; who sounds much more mature and actually has an aura of knowledge in his(?) replies.

[Elsie]

From wita’s homepage; probably a male.

And a Christian; too.

And an AF vet; like some of us.

http://freerepublic.com/~wita/index?U=http%3A%2F%2Ffreerepublic.com%2Ffocus%2Fchat%2F3825928%2Fposts%3Fpage%3D356

[Mark17]

Elsie ... I think you need a shrink.

Can you explain the thought process you used to come up with this conclusion?

Maybe he’s a shrink, trying to drum up business. 😀

[Mark17]

I already looked at it. There are some USAF vets around here, and a Vietnam vet, like me. 😁 USAF rules the skies.
Of course, my son is a USAF vet too, and is doing extremely well in USAF pilot training. It seems he was born with a control stick in his hands. 👍😁

[teppe]

Wow .... you view fellow Christians who believe differently than you your ... Worthy Advesaries?

My religion teaches me to seek Christ and to love my fellowmen.

.... and your religion teaches you to seek ‘worthy advesaries’?

Wow ......

“For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another”

You are not seeking the Spirit of Christ, but are seeking the adversary, and I am very sorry for you.

[teppe]

Elsie .... You ask me “when did I stop beating my wife?”

..... in the midst of a discussion about religion???

Wow .... I’m bewildered at your behavior ..... you really should try to follow Christ to alleviate the torment in your soul .... or consider professional counseling.

[teppe]

No sorry, I’m an engineer. But I’m always trying to drum up a little more business for that!

Your Son is a USAF Pilot? Awesome, I thought about trying for that .... but I didn’t want to spend 4 years as a navigator if I washed out of flight school. (I did however, go through OCS and in the Army National Guard).

[teppe]

Leaving the Mormons to their own devices is a good thing. God has blessed us much and continues to prosper us daily.

190 years ago this church had 6 members ..... today, over 15 million.

While we may disagree on interpretations, we should seek what we have hopefully in common. As for me, I love my almighty God and seek to follow Jesus Christ by how I interact with my family and fellowmen.

If this offends you, I am sorry, but I’m pretty sure that Christ will ask you to clean-up the mess from your dusty feet all by yourself.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“ you view fellow Christians”

No, mormonism is not remotely Christian.

The rest of your post is more emotional bloviation and attacks...ditto, your next post.

Nothing new, and confirms my decision to not invest time with you teppe.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“ Interacting with an organ grinders monkey is fun for a while; and then the thing tends to get all bitey on ya. ”

Bogey, screachy, smelly, demanding...

Better to get a selfie fast and leave.

[Mark17]

My son is in USAF pilot training as we speak. He went to USAF OTS at Maxwell AFB, Alabama. Since I put up with 10 lifetime’s worth of garbage as an enlisted man, I told him, that if he wanted to go into the Air Force, that under no circumstances, should he do it as an enlisted man. He took my advice, and is an officer.
He has flown the DA-20, and last week, finished T-6 flight training. One more aircraft to master, and he is finished with pilot training. He never went into it, worrying about washing out. In the T-6, he was at the top of his class.
As far as spiritual issues go, we will never agree on ANY issue, so there really isn’t any reason to discuss anything. You have your interpretation, I have mine, and the two will never meet. Have a nice eternity. I plan to. 👍

[Elsie]

You sure are worried about me.

Tell me again why Mormonism is so great.

[Elsie]

“For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another”

Amazing how things like this are revealed; right??

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Orson Pratt proclaimed:

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer).  

Page 273 found HERE LINK

More confusion:  LINK

 

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Questions put to Joseph Smith:

"'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119). 

Found in section 3 --> http://www.boap.org/LDS/Joseph-Smith/Teachings/T3.html  (search for 119)

 

 

"for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12).

Found here --->  LINK

 

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

Found in section 5 --> http://www.boap.org/LDS/Joseph-Smith/Teachings/T3.html  (search for 270)

 

 

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Brigham Young stated this repeatedly:

"When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses Section 5 page 73);

"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses  Section  8 page 171);

"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses Section  8 page 199);

"Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses Section 10  page 230).

"And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses Section  6 page 24);

 

 

 

 

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Orson Pratt also said:

"This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , Section 18, page 44);

"But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , Section 18 page 172).

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President John Taylor stated:

"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , Section 6 page 167);

"Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , Section 10 page 127).

 

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James Talmage said:

"A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

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President Joseph Fielding Smith said:

"Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266).

"For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

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More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear:

"Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265);

"a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.123);

"virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.250);

"Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.290).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said:

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).  <-- can't find an onlink link, but there ARE a lot of hard copy books for sale tha tinclude this quote.

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated:

"the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , Section 2, page 196).

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[Elsie]

God has blessed us much and continues to prosper us daily.

New scene.


Elaine and Puddy are at Puddy's apartment.

Elaine: So where do you wanna eat?

Puddy: Feels like an Arby's night.

Elaine: Arby's. Beef and cheese and do you believe in god?

Puddy: Yes.

Elaine: Oh. So, you're pretty religious?

Puddy: That's right.

Elaine: So is it a problem that I'm not really religious?

Puddy: Not for me.

Elaine: Why not?

Puddy: I'm not the one going to hell.

[Elsie]

While we may disagree on interpretations, we should seek what we have hopefully in common.

And I'm sure you say this to any radical Muslims you meet up with as well??

[Elsie]

You have your interpretation, I have mine, and the two will never meet.

Oh but the Mormns have SO much MORE than mere 'interpretations'; they have entire SCRIPTURES to rely on!!!

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Book of Mormon:

Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. (Alma 11:28-29)

...and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. (Alma 11:44)

...doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen. (2 Nephi 31:21)

...praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. (Mormon 7:7)

...power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, (Mosiah 15:3-5)

...of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them. (Ether 2:8)

"Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name." (3 Nephi 9:15)

"And again the Lord called others, and said unto them likewise; and he gave unto them power to baptize. And he said unto them: On this wise shall ye baptize; and there shall be no disputations among you. Verily I say unto you, that whoso repenteth of his sins through your words and desireth to be baptized in my name, on this wise shall ye baptize them--Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them. And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying: Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. And then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water. And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one...And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." (3 Nephi 11:22-27, 36)