Posted on 02/24/2020 2:14:53 PM PST by Vermont Lt
Just think. Ten months till Christmas.
This is the continuation of the Thread.
This is an interview last week which says then CDC says the tests will be available mid-March. Has anyone heard any sooner timeframe? Because this is unacceptable.
Senator Brian Schatz
@SenBrianSchatz
There are no confirmed cases of #coronavirus in Hawaii, but we’re working hard to get new test kits from the CDC to our state as soon as possible.
Radio hear more in last week’s interview with Hawai‘i Public Radio
https://twitter.com/SenBrianSchatz/status/1232108448726298626
Italy: The number of people infected rises to 148, hospitalizations region by region
Lombardy
112 people are affected by coronaviruses in Lombardy, including 17 hospitalized in intensive care. Welfare councilor Giulio Gallera said so. “Today there has been another death in Crema – said Gallera.
More at link
Bflr
“What do you suggest I do to not get infected”
Since you asked, here’s my take. You’re more than welcome to accept it, reject it, or call me a 4-letter word. Keep in mind that I have no medical training, and therefore I’m open-minded about medical-related issues, and willing to think for myself.
1) Viruses are not as contagious as people think. For example, if virus particles are detected on a door knob a week after being deposited, they’re not going to hurt anyone. Viruses are TINY, and given atmospheric circulation, I suspect that everyone breathes some of this Coronavirus every day, along with many other deadly viruses. But we don’t get sick, because we breathe far too little - our immune systems make minced-meat of them without skipping a beat. If every contact we had with viruses was deadly, all animal life on Earth would be long gone.
2) But there is a critical concentration of the virus, which is function of both how many particles we take in, and over what period of time - obviously meaning that people taking in a lot over a shorter period are at greater risk of reaching that tipping point.
3) The tipping point will vary, based on health, age, and possibly ethnicity.
4) So the question is how to keep clear of the tipping point.
5) The answer is above - which is to minimize exposure and potential exposure. Unfortunately, there’s no way to know who’s infected or how much they’re spraying out the virus, but it is possible to know who’s more likely to be infected.
6) At this point, it’s Italians, Iranians, and of course Asians. It’s not they’re bad people or something, but it’s simply more likely they’ve been back to their ‘old country’ recently, or have been with/near those who have been back. As other countries/groups show up, then also try to stay clear of them.
7) Say clear of all others, to the extent practical. At work, maybe move back a few feet if you’ve been close to someone for a while (if possible). When shopping, go during off-hours. My wife will probably not survive this thing, so we only go off-hours. While she doesn’t like waking up early, she loves the empty, and near-empty, stores! Needless to say, we’re not about to get on an airplane, to anywhere, nor a cruise ship, nor a bus, or subway.
8) Likewise, minimize things are easy to minimize. Get takeout from McDonald’s, or other restaurants...don’t eat inside. Try to stay clear of lines when possible (hence the reason we spent the past month prepping...to beat the rush).
9) But don’t get panicked about germs everywhere, on everything, you’ll end up like Howard Hughes (paranoid)...and they’ll still get cha. If someone sneezes, then yes, get away - but otherwise, it’s just people speculating that a door handle will kill you.
Anyway, that’s my take, since you did ask.
Dr.Mackay is a well known and respected virologist, but even he is being censored.
@MackayIM
Hey @who and @twitter, pretty crap that I can’t even get results from an advanced search for my *own* tweets now.
You need to reduce the stringency of your filtering. There are plenty of other sources who can be trusted to speak to the public
I have to warn that there is a lot of reports and studies out there suggesting the virus is aerosolized, which is why medical professionals are getting infected treating it as a normal flu. It will require another level than normal flu protocol. Social distancing is going to be the best bet, if possible. Won’t be for most unless they quarantine towns.
And...aerosolized is not the same as air droplets, it is a smaller particle and can travel further distances.
CORONAVIRUS UPDATE: A Coronavirus Pandemic Is Looking A Lot More Likely. Here’s What That Means.
WHO says it’s too early to declare a coronavirus pandemic: ‘Now is the time to prepare’.
Coronavirus’s Global Spread May Not Be Contained, WHO Says.
As coronavirus spreads, the US is not fully prepared, but here is how we can be.
What’s it like to be in Italy amid the coronavirus outbreak.
Citi, Credit Suisse among banks curbing Italy trips on coronavirus fears.
Some Apple retail stores re-open in China after coronavirus closings.
Coronavirus fear sickens stock market, spreads need to diversify manufacturing.
Global stock markets plunge on coronavirus fears. Though to be fair, I wonder how much the rise of Bernie has to do with this too.
Coronavirus and what needs to be done to get in front of global pandemics.
Yeah I thought it was odd too. Hadn’t thought of it being a message to his supporters.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Made it past the 80,000 mark.
another death from the cruise ship
4th
“Taiwan advises military personnel against visiting 29 countries
Due to high risk of Wuhan coronavirus even travel to Taiwan’s close ally the US is discouraged”
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3879846
That’s embarrassing.
This is Florida tourist season too. Disney has 10,000 people a day go through from all over the world. The scary part is that it can’t be detected in a test for up to two weeks and you might not get symptoms, yet be a carrier, for up to three weeks and can live for days on a surface. Hundreds of thousands could be infected and not know it right now.
Wow, hard to believe it hasn’t even been 2 months since the first “official” case in China.
Very good advice. Might also add that people need to start wearing masks as a courtesy to others. You wont know if you are shedding viri if you are infected but not showing signs. That unknown shedding can occur for hours or days. In some rare cases weeks.
“I have to warn that there is a lot of reports and studies out there suggesting the virus is aerosolized, which is why medical professionals are getting infected treating it as a normal flu. It will require another level than normal flu protocol. Social distancing is going to be the best bet, if possible. Won’t be for most unless they quarantine towns.”
Yep, that’s why I didn’t bother with the masks. Better than nothing, and certainly helpful if someone sneezes your way, but to think you’ll be protected if you get into a taxi for 20 minutes with a vector...it’s delusional. As I noted, just not getting in that taxi, if any way possible, is better. And likewise, if you do have to ride in a cab, open the windows to the extent possible...the fresh air may save you if your driver is a vector.
I believe it. And it’s been spreading silently ever since.
“”” This is in addition to the 10 they have already been watching. “””
Say what? I just got back in the interweb news loop and we don’t have TV. I’m in Missouri. Wife just said tonight they lost two people within a week to pneumonia in the old folks home.
“Very good advice. Might also add that people need to start wearing masks as a courtesy to others. You wont know if you are shedding viri if you are infected but not showing signs. That unknown shedding can occur for hours or days. In some rare cases weeks.”
I’d say at some point, yes. But you may anger people (and risk your own safety) if you do it too soon, when people don’t understand why. [for example, my wife saw a guy with a mask and got upset thinking he had it - extremely unlikely in that case, but others do more than walk away when upset].
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