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The Shocking Difference Between Pentecostal Pastors and ‘Mainline’ Pastors
Townhall.com ^ | February 24, 2020 | Michael Brown

Posted on 02/24/2020 6:54:56 AM PST by Kaslin

According to a new Lifeway Research survey, while 47 percent of “mainline” pastors now support same-sex “marriage,” only 8 percent of evangelical pastors do. More specifically, “Presbyterian or Reformed (49%), Methodist (47%), Lutheran (35%) and Christian/Church of Christ pastors (20%) are more likely to see nothing wrong with same-sex marriage than Baptist (3%) or Pentecostal pastors (1%).”

None of this is surprising in the least.

First, as noted by Scott McConnell, executive director of LifeWay Research, “The movement we see among pastors’ views of same-sex marriage has less to do with their denominational tradition than their view of the Bible.”

Accordingly, those who hold most faithfully to the authority of Scripture will be the least inclined to change their views on homosexuality. Put another way, those who believe the Bible to be God’s inspired, unchanging Word will be the least likely to compromise their convictions based on societal changes.

“An evangelical distinctive,” McConnell continued, “is the ultimate authority the Bible has over one’s beliefs despite changing cultural perspectives. It is not surprising then that evangelical pastors across different denominations continue to view same-sex marriage as wrong through this lens.”

That’s because the Bible is unambiguous in its condemnation of homosexual unions. Under all circumstances, regardless of how much love or commitment is involved, they are sinful in God’s sight and contrary to His established order.

At the same time, mercy and forgiveness are offered for all, including practicing homosexuals. The Word is equally clear on this (see 1 Corinthians 6:9-11).

That’s why, when I had a mini-debate with “gay Christian” poster boy Matthew Vines, he could not offer a single Scripture verse in support of his position. (For a graphic illustration of the scriptural bankruptcy of the “gay Christian” argument, see here.)

When it comes to “mainline” pastors, which these days primarily refers to “progressive” or “liberal” pastors, they are more inclined to interpret Scripture through the lens of contemporary culture than to evaluate contemporary culture through the lens of Scripture.

As a result, they are more likely to disbelieve fundamental, biblical truths, including: the Bible as God’s infallible Word; salvation coming only through Jesus; the virgin birth and the resurrection; eternal reward and eternal punishment.

That’s why it’s no surprise that these same pastors, who have waffled on the most foundational issues, will waffle on things like gay “marriage” too. What else could we expect?

Ironically, it is the Pentecostals, who are often derided for their belief that the Spirit continues to speak today, who are the most conservative of all, with only 1 percent of their pastors affirming same-sex “marriage.”

But that, too, should come as no surprise. That’s because the reason Pentecostals believe that prophecy and tongues are for today is because they believe that the Word of God means what it says. That’s also why they reject same-sex “marriage.”

Pentecostals also emphasize the importance of the new birth and life in the Spirit. This means that the vast majority of their adherents will have a greater devotion to the Lord and His Word than those of “mainline” churches, which often downplay the concept of personal relationship with God.

All this would be in keeping with a 10-country religious survey published in 2006, titled, “Spirit and Power – A Ten Country Survey of Pentecostals.”

The survey indicated that, “In addition to their distinctive religious experiences, renewalists also stand out for the intensity of their belief in traditional Christian doctrines and practices. For instance, in eight of the 10 countries surveyed (all except the U.S. and Chile), majorities of nonrenewalist Christians believe that the Bible is the word of God and is to be taken literally, word for word; but this view is even more common among pentecostals than among non-renewalist Christians. Similarly, large majorities of all Christians, renewalists and nonrenewalists alike, believe that miracles still occur today as in ancient times. But this belief tends to be even more intense among pentecostals and, to a lesser extent, charismatics than among nonrenewalist Christians.”

It is true that, according to the recent Lifeway Research survey, the more educated the pastor, the more likely he (or she) was to accept same-sex “marriage.” Specifically, “Those with a doctorate (27%) or a master’s degree (32%) are more likely to support same-sex marriage than pastors with a bachelor’s degree (9%) or no college degree (6%).”

But, once again, it is also more likely that many of those who pursued more advanced degrees view the Bible through a more modernist lens than those who chose not to pursue such degrees. Education, in and of itself, does not guarantee orthodoxy. This is especially so when the seminaries attended are themselves liberal.

Interestingly, “Pastors of churches with fewer than 50 in attendance are more likely to see nothing wrong with two people of the same gender getting married (33%) than those at churches with 100 or more in attendance (19%).”

This would confirm what I have written about numerous times, namely, that “progressive Christianity” is doomed to fail.

That’s why, while 47 percent of “mainline” pastors now affirm same-sex relations, they represent an increasingly small minority of American pastors as a whole as their congregations are dwindling. In stark contrast, Pentecostal-Charismatic Christianity is exploding around the globe.

One group adheres more faithfully to the Word and relies on the Spirit’s power. The other does not.

The results are as expected.



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KEYWORDS: christianity; fagmarriage; michaelbrown; orthodox; pastors
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To: Pollster1
In other words, if you want a Christian church that follows the Bible (which should be a given for Christians), go Baptist or Pentecostal.

We Wesleyans will take you in as well.

https://www.wesleyan.org/a-wesleyan-view-of-homosexuality-235

61 posted on 02/25/2020 5:35:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin
If the Lord had wanted women to be preachers I am sure he would have made Maria Magdalena one of his Apostle and told her to go out in the world and preach his word.

Well; He does send His mom from time to time; right?

62 posted on 02/25/2020 5:38:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RegulatorCountry

See the Russian Orthodox Church, which was never “oppressed” but rather coopted by the Soviet Union just as they were by the Tsar.


63 posted on 02/25/2020 5:40:40 AM PST by Clemenza
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To: Luircin

One can be a thief, a murderer, an adulterer, an idol worshipper or even an ELSIE.

The forgiveness of sin is available to ALL; no matter what the activities in your past have labeled you.


64 posted on 02/25/2020 5:41:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin
No way. I was baptized in the Catholic church when I was a week old, and I die as a Catholic

The Catholic Church recognizes Biblical marriage, which not only excludes same-sex marriage but also divorce and remarriage.

65 posted on 02/25/2020 5:41:27 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Flaming Conservative
It is not uncommon for fundamentalist Pentecostal churches to have women preachers.

I do NOT see why so many folks get their panties in a wad over this!!??

KJV But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

NIV I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.


Paul is expressing HIS feelings on the matter. He did NOT write that GOD says such-and-such!


1 Timothy 2:12 - Wikipedia
66 posted on 02/25/2020 5:45:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Flaming Conservative
What does the BIBLE say?
67 posted on 02/25/2020 5:45:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Preach it; Woman!!

; ^ )


68 posted on 02/25/2020 5:47:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Redleg Duke
I am sick and tired of being expected to be tolerant of behaviors that I find immoral.

Let's be SILENT no more!

69 posted on 02/25/2020 5:48:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

But just what is your ‘faith’ placed in?


70 posted on 02/25/2020 5:49:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat

1 Corinthians 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.


71 posted on 02/25/2020 5:51:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Excellent Biblical and compassionate statement on homosexuality, one of the best I’ve read.


72 posted on 02/25/2020 6:14:02 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Elsie

It’s not a “what”. It’s a Who.


73 posted on 02/25/2020 7:09:08 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ([Jesus said] Let not your hearts be troubled. You have faith in God; have faith also in me. Jn 14:1)
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To: Mom MD

The UCC will be the epicenter of “Churches of a Christ” that are socially progressive.


74 posted on 02/25/2020 7:19:25 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Elsie

1 Corinthians 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

So, Elsie, you prefer not to abide by the admonition to remain silent in church? Okay by me if you choose to disobey God’s wishes, but I would advise you to pray over the meaning of Hebrews 9:27, which by the way, is not negated by Hebrews 9:28!


75 posted on 02/25/2020 11:49:28 AM PST by fortes fortuna juvat (To save America the Left MUST be aggressively attacked on every front.)
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To: Pollster1

I tried to get all the home stuff I could find; that addressed the problem.


76 posted on 02/25/2020 3:01:27 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Now now; Mrs. D.

There is a LOT of ‘what’ found that you have faith in.

Like EVERYTHING your church teaches being correct.

Am I right??


77 posted on 02/25/2020 3:03:12 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Did I leave out PRACTICES??


78 posted on 02/25/2020 3:03:35 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
So, Elsie, you prefer not to abide by the admonition to remain silent in church?

Did not Paul write BOTH of those?

Corinthians as well as Timothy??


Hebrews 9:27, which by the way, is not negated by Hebrews 9:28!

Ok; I'll look them up a post them for the rest of the class.


 Hebrews 9    King James Version
 
1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
 
 
Well; I'm at a loss to explain this jump in direction.
 
 


79 posted on 02/25/2020 3:11:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
The proper object of Faith is God. Faith is a theological virtue, and that's what it means: its source and summit is in God.

Now, there are other objects of Faith which are proper, in a subordinate way, in that they are directed toward God or understood in God, Who is All in All. I will give you a Catholic summary here:

Nicene Creed

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,

and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

What do you think?

80 posted on 02/25/2020 3:22:34 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves, and one another, and our whole life, unto Christ Our God.")
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