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Coronavirus Live Thread 2/14 to 2/15
2/14/2020

Posted on 02/14/2020 4:45:21 PM PST by Vermont Lt

Happy Valentines Day.

There are currently 67,100 confirmed cases worldwide, including 1,526 fatalities.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: 2019ncov; chinavirus; chinaviruslivethread; coronavirus; corvid19; cvlivethread; livethread; wuhanflu
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To: Vermont Lt

Steve Bannon has a very good daily podcast covering news about the virus. Steven Hatfil, perhaps our finest biological weapons expert, is a regular participant.

https://pandemic.warroom.org/

There is reason to suspect that this outbreak began as early as last October, which means that the risk of this being global is higher than previously expected.

Predictions are that 2/3 of the world population will be infected before this thing burns out.

It is already seriously impacting the Chinese workforce. Many factories have been unable to restart since Chinese New Year.

This is a problem for us because most of our medicines are now reliant upon Chinese production. Either they are made there outright, or their precursor chemicals are. This is true for India as well.

Joe Kernan had a guest this last week, his name escapes me but he used to be with PIMCO, who warns that if the interruption in China continues that the shelves of Walmart will be empty in one month. A consequence of Just In Time production and outsourced manufacturing. He was not trying to be dramatic, this is a projection from the current Covid-19 problems in China.


261 posted on 02/15/2020 2:01:16 PM PST by Pelham (RIP California, killed by massive immigration)
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KUALA LUMPUR (BLOOMBERG) - A number of passengers, including two Dutch citizens, were denied boarding for an Amsterdam-bound KLM flight departing from Kuala Lumpur, according to the Dutch foreign ministry.

The travellers were among the more than 2,200 passengers and crew on the Westerdam cruise ship, which was turned away by five ports before disembarking in Cambodia.

An 83-year-old American passenger was diagnosed with the coronavirus a day after she left the ship.

The tourists who were kept from boarding KLM flight 810 are still in Malaysia, along with another group of Dutch citizens suspected to have had contact with the infected American woman.

Dutch RIVM National Institute for Public Health and the Environment estimated that 11 people were not allowed on the plane. A number of Dutch citizens who were aboard the Westerdam have already returned to the Netherlands, where they will be monitored daily by local health authorities.

Ninety-one Dutch citizens were aboard the Holland America Line cruise liner, a spokesman for the RIVM said by phone. He could not confirm the number of Dutch passengers who had already returned to the Netherlands.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/coronavirus-westerdam-cruise-ship-passengers-bumped-from-klm-flight-in-malaysia

262 posted on 02/15/2020 2:06:19 PM PST by Oorang (Tyranny thrives where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: MD Expat in PA

I dunno about special cleaning but I use salt and vinegar to clean my copper-bottomed pans - both antimicrobial and both nontoxic and the pans are over 30 years old. Expense shouldn’t be an issue in hospitals, either. My DH’s recent non-fatal heart attack/stenting ran $100K, not including doctors. (thanks to medicare out of pocket about $1100, not including doctors)


263 posted on 02/15/2020 2:12:26 PM PST by blueplum ( ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: Black Agnes
‘No, just call it the WooWoo.”

I think you just hit on something - babytalk names! woo woo for woo woo !! Argue over that, bureaucrats !

264 posted on 02/15/2020 2:17:20 PM PST by blueplum ( ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: 444Flyer

that’s a relief maybe. And at least the old guy got to check that one last trip home off his bucket list. Good for him. RIP Mr. Gilbert.


265 posted on 02/15/2020 2:19:52 PM PST by blueplum ( ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: Vermont Lt

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/02/15/amazing-but-hidden-news-about-coronavirus/


266 posted on 02/15/2020 2:31:40 PM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: Paul R.
I noticed an error in that new calculation tool at the top.

The number of cases without the cruise ship numbers was accurate
but the percentage was based off a fixed number I had used for testing
and had forgot to change back. I should have been using the Row specific
number.

I'll be posting an updated spread sheet in a couple of hours, and
that percentage cell will show proper data from then on.

267 posted on 02/15/2020 2:33:59 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Time to up our FR Monthlies by 5-10%. You'll < hardly miss it and it will help.)
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To: blueplum

No hospital is going to refit their hospital in copper hardware. No hospital ops manager is going to add vinegar and water to their maintenance protocols. Please, just stop.

They want to clean it, kill it, and move on. You have no idea of the time constraints these folks are under. They are not polishing anything except the floor. They are timed to the minute. Spending an extra ten seconds on thousands of doors in a hospital every day is a none starter.

Please, someone that works in hospital operations help me out with this.


268 posted on 02/15/2020 2:34:50 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: RaceBannon

Really? Do I need to summon Humblegunner?


269 posted on 02/15/2020 2:36:28 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: kaehurowing

“All the crematoriums of Hubei are backed up & cannot take bodies.”
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1228451610868830209.html


270 posted on 02/15/2020 2:38:52 PM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: Vermont Lt

who?


271 posted on 02/15/2020 2:53:58 PM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: blueplum

Copper Cleaning: I use catsup/ketchup.


272 posted on 02/15/2020 2:54:14 PM PST by sockmonkey (Conservative. Not a Neocon.)
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To: Vermont Lt

not to mention. the expense of the copper. No this is not feasible for hospitals we have disinfectants to use on hard surfaces


273 posted on 02/15/2020 2:57:55 PM PST by Mom MD
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To: Vermont Lt

*** Really? Do I need to summon (name redacted)? ***

Please don’t.


274 posted on 02/15/2020 2:58:51 PM PST by sockmonkey (Conservative. Not a Neocon.)
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To: RaceBannon

Come on, you’ve been here as long as me. He is the blog flammer. LOL


275 posted on 02/15/2020 3:01:27 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: cookcounty

Why doesn’t everyone get it? A “bug” has a small number of of surface proteins that can each latch onto a specific surface protein on a cell before infection can happen. If your genetic shuffle doesn’t happen to have those surface proteins, you won’t get that disease. Also many may have has an earlier similar “bug” and their immune system is already primed to fight it. Cowpox vs small pox for example.

But what stops a pandemic before everyone else is dead? Simple answer? I don’t know.


276 posted on 02/15/2020 3:01:45 PM PST by null and void (The democrats just can't get over the fact that they lost an election they themselves rigged!)
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To: null and void

Viruses seem to be nature’s way to limit populations. If something is getting out of hand or has mutated in an unusual way, a virus will correct the imbalance.

Just as mutations happen in viruses, they happen in man. The will generally be a decent percent who survive.


277 posted on 02/15/2020 3:04:55 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

He doesn’t come to mind...


278 posted on 02/15/2020 3:06:01 PM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: Black Agnes
No, just call it the WooWoo.

AKA the Jinping Zing...

279 posted on 02/15/2020 3:07:17 PM PST by null and void (The democrats just can't get over the fact that they lost an election they themselves rigged!)
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To: cookcounty

I’ll take a stab at your question: isolation and lack of vector seems the obvious answer.

Infected villages become no-go zones. No people in, no people out. No vector. Outbreak kills off 90% of the village (10% herd immunity hopefully), the village becomes ‘haunted ground’ or ‘sour ground’ or ‘evil ground’ or ‘sacred ground’ whatever it takes for the locals to avoid it. By the time someone gets around to defying the curse, the virus has passed beyond survivability.

China has a bat and rat problem. Compounded by their obsession with building concrete ghost cities aka 21st century bat and rat caves. And until they tell the envirowackos to bugger off, and reduce those numbers by hundreds of millions, and close the bat caves to guided tours which get poo’d on, they will continue to churn out epidemic after epidemic after epidemic. Right now they have (at least) three epidemics going on at the same time, swine flu, bird flu and bat flu. I don’t care if bats eat mosquitoes, the bats in china are now contaminated with hundreds of viruses that have turned them into evil critters that bring disease to domestic animals.

Off them like the rabid dogs they are before they start a rabies epidemic too. Find some new bats.


280 posted on 02/15/2020 3:17:26 PM PST by blueplum ( ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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