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Mazda says long-range EVs are worse for CO2 than diesel cars
Electrek ^ | 29 Dec 2019 | Bradley Berman

Posted on 12/29/2019 1:26:23 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT

Christian Schultze, director at Mazda Europe’s R&D center, pegs the total CO2 emissions of a 35.5-kWh pack for the MX-30 crossover as comparable with a diesel-powered Mazda3 compact. He’s including total CO2 emissions for the vehicle’s use, as well as battery production and disposal. That advantage is still there if you had to replace the pack after 100,000 miles, according to Mazda.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: automotive; battery; electric; mazda; redmeat
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To: Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness

I’ve done 800 (Interstate) miles on a full tank twice in my diesel...which I bought last year.


21 posted on 12/29/2019 2:35:59 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election)
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To: kosciusko51

“At this point in time, Mazda is right about EVs. “

Mazda says EV’s have the advantage!


22 posted on 12/29/2019 2:42:06 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Revel

Battery prices, which were above $1,100 per kilowatt-hour in 2010, have fallen 87% in real terms to $156/kWh in 2019. By 2023, average prices will be close to $100/kWh, according to the latest forecast from research company BloombergNEF https://about.bnef.com/blog/battery-pack-prices-fall-as-market-ramps-up-with-market-average-at-156-kwh-in-2019/

AT $100/kWh puts them on par with ICE.

Get used to it.


23 posted on 12/29/2019 2:45:16 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT
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To: Oscar in Batangas

Not really - these EVs require massive expenditures of energy and horrid pollution and environmental cost just to PRODUCE the VEHICLES themselves. From the minding of raw materials for the batteries to the energy and pollution cost to actual production - they are horrific.

And never mind the slave labor used in the mining of several of the materials used...

The EV push is nothing but a feel-good power grab.


24 posted on 12/29/2019 2:47:54 PM PST by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness

“ca.1900, the best electric cars got 100 miles per charge.”

They didnt go 0-60 in 3 seconds!


25 posted on 12/29/2019 2:48:25 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: oldasrocks

No smog/emissions garbage choking the engine’s performance either - and relatively simple mechanics to repair.


26 posted on 12/29/2019 2:48:53 PM PST by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: Blue Highway

Can you even get ANY diesel powered Mazda at all here in the US?

The goofy bastards at VW put a stake in the heart of the diesel engine.
Unlikely to return soon.


27 posted on 12/29/2019 2:50:43 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

what does VW have to do with other car manufacturers though?


28 posted on 12/29/2019 2:55:18 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: montag813

Oh, they’re not really waiting for a charge. That’s a meeting of the Tesla Owner’s Club, and they are congratulating each other for doing so much to save the planet from the impending climate disaster. /s


29 posted on 12/29/2019 3:04:23 PM PST by Fresh Wind (The Electoral College is the firewall protecting us from massive blue state vote fraud.)
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To: TheBattman

My point was: the ONLY way it makes sense is to use non-CO2 emitting electric power to recharge the batteries.

Even then, that is only if one thinks that CO2 is ‘bad’.

As far as I’m concerned, my coffee trees will appreciate ALL the CO2 you care to send them


30 posted on 12/29/2019 3:07:15 PM PST by Oscar in Batangas (January 20, 2017, High Noon. The end of an error.)
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To: Oscar in Batangas

Coffee - the Great Bean of Glory! YES!

CO2 is “bad” only if it actually affected the earth like the Ecco-Nazis claim. Alas - it would be quite difficult for humans to produce enough CO2 to dramatically damage the planet. I guess if we sprayed the globe with Roundup and then Agent Orange, wiping out nearly all plant life... then CO2 would rapidly be a problem...


31 posted on 12/29/2019 3:13:33 PM PST by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Let’s remember - as part of the CAFE standards for fuel efficiency... makers can count EV vehicles massively towards offsetting other vehicles (like the huge and growing fleets of SUVs, crossovers, and the never-ending trucks that will likely NEVER meet those standards on their own merits.


32 posted on 12/29/2019 3:16:01 PM PST by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: Revel

Think about your cell phone battery - through its lifespan, its capacity diminishes with use. To exacerbate the problem, some usage and charging patterns actually make it deteriorate far faster.

Even the best batteries for cell phones - last at most, 2 years before seeing a significantly diminished performance. What is the current life expectancy for an EV’s batteries (when used as daily drivers with lots of use)?


33 posted on 12/29/2019 3:19:21 PM PST by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: Blue Highway

Greens have always hated diesel.

VW gave them the means and method to finish it off.

The Oldsmodiesel severely damaged diesel reputation, but still, it came back.

Lots of interesting new diesel technology, but not to be.


34 posted on 12/29/2019 3:25:53 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT
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Phillip Morris says water is worse for your health than smoking.


35 posted on 12/29/2019 4:29:47 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: TheBattman
Not really - these EVs require massive expenditures of energy and horrid pollution and environmental cost just to PRODUCE the VEHICLES themselves. From the minding of raw materials for the batteries to the energy and pollution cost to actual production - they are horrific.

And never mind the slave labor used in the mining of several of the materials used...

They also have another 'swell' feature - ruptured batteries that burn for days after an accident compromises them.

Richard Hammond can speak volumes about this.

36 posted on 12/29/2019 5:07:56 PM PST by Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness (Eenie meanie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak....)
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To: kosciusko51

Electric cars are the future, and always will be.


37 posted on 12/29/2019 5:09:14 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: TexasGator
They didnt go 0-60 in 3 seconds!

Formula E is looking for fans.

Listening to something that sounds like an electric razor as cars are swapped over less than an hour's time is surely going to attract standing room only crowds.

38 posted on 12/29/2019 5:17:21 PM PST by Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness (Eenie meanie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak....)
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To: dfwgator

And nuclear fusion power is only 20 years away...


39 posted on 12/29/2019 5:17:48 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: BobL

Collecting all humans and housing them in “Cabrini Greens” style units. Only the super wealthy will be allowed homes, and most of the land will be a park that is off limits to all but the super wealthy. Of course this is after eliminating Billions of people. It is a plan, not a conspiracy.


40 posted on 12/29/2019 6:09:25 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer)
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