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>>Kalamata to OIFVeteran: “I see you are still playing the moral-superiority card. I thought you were done with that.”
>>Joey wrote: “OIFVeteran merely pointed out that he met a small number of racists in the military, and somehow in Kalamata’s warped mind that becomes “playing the moral-superiority card”?”

Joey is contextually-challenged.

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>>Kalamata wrote: “You have lived a very sheltered life. I ran into many racists in the military, but admittedly I served long before you. “
>>Joey wrote: “That is the first claim I’ve seen from Kalamata that he actually did serve, though curiously, he says it was so long ago there were still many racists then. I too remember the military from very long ago and I can tell you it was always less racist than the civilian worlds most of the soldiers came from.”

Perhaps you fit in with the racists better than I did, Joey?

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>>Kalamata wrote: “The most racist people I have ever experienced were the town’s people of a Pennsylvania college I attended, but that too was long ago.”
>>Joey wrote: “Pennsylvania is normally a “blue state” and voted for Democrats like pro-slavery Doughfaced Northerner James Buchanan in 1856. On those rare occasions when Pennsylvania flips sides, we can help elect game-changing Republicans like Lincoln, Reagan and Trump.”

Lincoln was a crony-socialist, Joey, as was Buchanan.

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>>Kalamata wrote: “In 1964 Pennsylvanians knowingly chose Lyndon Johnson’s “Great Society” over Barry Goldwater’s “Conscience of a Conservative”. So however racist you imagine those old Pennsylvanians were, there weren’t enough of them to swing the election.”

I didn’t say “Pennsylvanians” were racist, Joey. I singled some out as racist.

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>>Kalamata wrote: “The South has already risen again.”
>>Joey wrote: “The South was never down for long. About 400,000 Southerners lost some of their “property”, but within a few years they’d effectively nullified the 13th, 14th & 15th Amendments and restored their major export, cotton, to production levels well above antebellum levels.”

Where are your sources, Joey?

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>>Kalamata wrote: “Sure, even today Southerners on average earn less than Northerners, but it also costs less to live in the South and anyone accustomed to high taxes for Northern roads is always amazed to see Southern roads maintained at much lower costs. And if your definition of “the good life” includes enjoying the relaxed outdoors with your family & friends, then it would be easy to construct a chart showing that the further North you travel, the less of that you find. But while Republicans North & East of Hodgenville are often in the minority, those in states South & West are more often the majority in their states.”

Joey finally said something I am in complete agreement with. Our property taxes are now roughly 25% of what they were in PA, on approximately the same size home and lot.

Mr. Kalamata

Lincoln was a crony-socialist, Joey, as was Buchanan.

I have only learned of this thing we now call "Crony Capitalism" in the last decade or so. Prior to that, I had no inkling that there was in fact collusion between powerful government officials and powerful wealthy men of business.

Once I learned of it, and the Obama administration (that other race obsessed Liberal Lawyer President from Illinois) was a very good lesson on the subject, I started seeing evidence of it throughout history, and especially in the run up to the Civil War.

The subsequent corruption of the Grant Administration and the widespread corruption during the "Gilded Age", demonstrates that Lincoln was greatly responsible for expanding this back door influence selling scheme between government and business.

This thing that came to resemble what we later know as Nazism.

OIFVeteran from post #361: "...Over that time I met exactly two people that believed Lincoln was a tyrant and the south was justified in seceding."

Kalamata post #368: "I see you are still playing the moral-superiority card. I thought you were done with that."

BJK post #444: "OIFVeteran merely pointed out that he met a small number of racists in the military, and somehow in Kalamata's warped mind that becomes "playing the moral-superiority card"?"

Kalamata post #485: "Joey is contextually-challenged."

Naw, Olive-boy has simply imagined a context which was, in fact, not there.

Kalamata: "Perhaps you fit in with the racists better than I did, Joey?"

Context, context: the question on the table here is, why does Kalamata claim he met so many more racists while serving in the military than either OIFVeteran or yours truly remember.
Here he suggests that's because he didn't "fit in" so well with racists.
I'd certainly agree, it's most likely Olive-boy didn't "fit in" so well with the military, period.
I can find no sense of being a good soldier in his posts here.
I also suspect the reason he met so many racists was because they were not afraid to express such opinions to him.
In my time I served beside, under and over soldiers of every color & background.
When I walked into a room they stood, saluted and were on their best behavior.

Kalamata: "Lincoln was a crony-socialist, Joey, as was Buchanan."

And yet again, Olive-boy, your insane obsession with "crony" anything is noted and dismissed as nothing more than the rantings of feeble mind unaccustomed to dealing with reality.

Kalamata: "I didn’t say “Pennsylvanians” were racist, Joey.
I singled some out as racist."

Pennsylvania is sometimes mocked as "Pennsyl-tucky", it being said we are really three states -- Philadelphia in the East, Pittsburg in the West and Alabama in-between.
Pennsylvania was among the first states to begin abolition and as of 1850 no other free-state had more freed-blacks.
I live "back in the woods" in the "Alabama" part, not so far from President Buchanan's home town.
In some villages nearby you can see Confederate flags flying from porches, sometimes beside US flags.

I doubt seriously if those Confederate flag-flyers consider themselves racists, not at all, but Pennsylvanians have an independent streak which expressed itself not just in 1776, but also in the 1794 Whiskey Rebellion and 1798 Fries Rebellion.
In 1863 there were Pennsylvanians serving on both sides at Gettysburg, though many more for the Union.
So Pennsylvanians admire people with the courage to stand up for their own independence.
And Pennsylvanians, certainly my "Alabama" neighbors, love, love Donald Trump.

Kalamata: "Where are your sources, Joey?"

Thanks for asking.
The total number of slaveholders in 1860, circa 400,000 comes from the 1860 census, a summary found here.

Cotton exports after 1860 can be found here, and also here.

Kalamata: "Joey finally said something I am in complete agreement with.
Our property taxes are now roughly 25% of what they were in PA, on approximately the same size home and lot."

And, typical of our Olive-boy, what he agrees with he takes credit for himself having said!
Post #485, final response, he quotes my words as his own.

{sigh}