Wanted to add a follow up comment on what you mention here about Kalamata claim about knowing Marines that think Lincoln was a tyrant. I served almost 21 years in the US Military. Started in the Marines and retired from the Army. Served both active duty and reserves, enlisted and officer. Over that time I met exactly two people that believed Lincoln was a tyrant and the south was justified in seceding. They were my roommates for awhile when I was lower enlisted in the Marines. One from Virginia and one from Tennessee, both white. They were also the two most racist people I’ve have ever had the misfortune to meet in real life. (Sadly I’ve met even more racist people on line.)
They always liked to say the south will rise again. I got sick of it one day and retorted “and the north will kick your a*^ again!” That shut them both up.
Of course for both of us this is all just anecdotal evidence.
>>OIFVeteran wrote: “Wanted to add a follow up comment on what you mention here about Kalamata claim about knowing Marines that think Lincoln was a tyrant. I served almost 21 years in the US Military. Started in the Marines and retired from the Army. Served both active duty and reserves, enlisted and officer. Over that time I met exactly two people that believed Lincoln was a tyrant and the south was justified in seceding. They were my roommates for awhile when I was lower enlisted in the Marines. One from Virginia and one from Tennessee, both white. They were also the two most racist people I’ve have ever had the misfortune to meet in real life. (Sadly I’ve met even more racist people on line.)”
I see you are still playing the moral-superiority card. I thought you were done with that.
You have lived a very sheltered life. I ran into many racists in the military, but admittedly I served long before you. The most racist people I have ever experienced were the town’s people of a Pennsylvania college I attended, but that too was long ago.
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>>OIFVeteran wrote: “They always liked to say the south will rise again. I got sick of it one day and retorted “and the north will kick your a*^ again!” That shut them both up.”
The South has already risen again. Many of the more productive and less progressive northerners have moved or retired to the South, like me. That migration will slow down, or possibly reverse, now that Trump has brought the jobs back; but for now the labels are “Progressive North; Conservative South.”
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>>OIFVeteran wrote: “Of course for both of us this is all just anecdotal evidence.”
Of course.
Mr. Kalamata
I was honorably discharged in 1973, just after the changeover to all-volunteers, so most of my experience is of a military long past.
We had black troops, NCOs and officers, a black company commander and battalion XO, in the early 1970s.
We also had plenty of white southerners in those positions.
Some were quite proud of their country & western heritage.
In all my years I never met one who said something bad about Lincoln or the Union.
OIFVeteran: "Served both active duty and reserves, enlisted and officer.
Over that time I met exactly two people that believed Lincoln was a tyrant and the south was justified in seceding.
They were my roommates for awhile when I was lower enlisted in the Marines."
Sure, in Basic Training we had some pretty rough characters and I have vague memories of hearing some racist talk somewhere, but never anyone who drew the connection between their own racism and blaming Lincoln!
By the way, I have seen where Kalamata claims to have taken our oath of office to protect & defend the Constitution, but I somehow missed the part, if there was one, where he claimed to have actually served honorably...