I was honorably discharged in 1973, just after the changeover to all-volunteers, so most of my experience is of a military long past.
We had black troops, NCOs and officers, a black company commander and battalion XO, in the early 1970s.
We also had plenty of white southerners in those positions.
Some were quite proud of their country & western heritage.
In all my years I never met one who said something bad about Lincoln or the Union.
OIFVeteran: "Served both active duty and reserves, enlisted and officer.
Over that time I met exactly two people that believed Lincoln was a tyrant and the south was justified in seceding.
They were my roommates for awhile when I was lower enlisted in the Marines."
Sure, in Basic Training we had some pretty rough characters and I have vague memories of hearing some racist talk somewhere, but never anyone who drew the connection between their own racism and blaming Lincoln!
By the way, I have seen where Kalamata claims to have taken our oath of office to protect & defend the Constitution, but I somehow missed the part, if there was one, where he claimed to have actually served honorably...
>>OIFVeteran wrote: “Wanted to add a follow up comment on what you mention here about Kalamata claim about knowing Marines that think Lincoln was a tyrant. I served almost 21 years in the US Military.”
>>BroJoeK wrote: “I was honorably discharged in 1973, just after the changeover to all-volunteers, so most of my experience is of a military long past.”
It appears I joined a little before you, Joey.
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>>Joey wrote: “We had black troops, NCOs and officers, a black company commander and battalion XO, in the early 1970s. We also had plenty of white southerners in those positions. Some were quite proud of their country & western heritage. In all my years I never met one who said something bad about Lincoln or the Union.”
I don’t recall anyone criticizing Lincoln while I served. I didn’t learn the truth about him until this century.
It appears Joey is confusing our western heritage, created by Christians, with Lincoln, who tried to destroy it. It was the power of Christianity, and the belief in the doctrine of limited government, that helped us partially crawl out the crony-capitalist hell that Lincoln pushed us into (do you recall the warning of Eisenhower?) Hopefully the Trump administration will be able put crony-capitalism to rest, and recover much of the nations resources that have been plundered by the modern-day Marxists-Lincolnites. (Trump doesn’t know it, yet, but he is not a Lincolnite.)
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>>OIFVeteran wrote: “Served both active duty and reserves, enlisted and officer. Over that time I met exactly two people that believed Lincoln was a tyrant and the south was justified in seceding. They were my roommates for awhile when I was lower enlisted in the Marines.”
You are still young.
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>>Joey wrote: “Sure, in Basic Training we had some pretty rough characters and I have vague memories of hearing some racist talk somewhere, but never anyone who drew the connection between their own racism and blaming Lincoln!”
Same here. We were all brainwashed.
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>>Joey wrote: “By the way, I have seen where Kalamata claims to have taken our oath of office to protect & defend the Constitution, but I somehow missed the part, if there was one, where he claimed to have actually served honorably...”
I served honorably, Joey (and I used every dollar of my G. I. Bill, and then some.)
Have you ever noticed that Joey’s arguments are riddled with sanctimony?
Mr. Kalamata