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VANITY: The Battle of the Bulge, The First Three Days - PROLOGUE
Vanity ^ | 12/15/2019 | Vanity

Posted on 12/15/2019 10:20:58 AM PST by OKSooner

Inspired by Homer Simpson's historical works from newspaper archives, this is a brief recollection of the opening days of The Battle of the Bulge, particularly the first three days of it. I will be doing this as my work schedule and time permit, so I apologize in advance that it will not be up to the same editorial standards as Homer's previous, well-known work here at FR.

The intent of it is to examine the chronology of certain events leading up to the legendary defense of the crossroads city of Bastogne, Belgium by the 101st Airborne division and other elements of the US Army.

Hitler's intent in launching this offensive, which was assigned the code name "Watch on the Rhine" to disguise it as a defensive operation, was to

1) Reach and capture the port city of Antwerp, which had become the point of arrival for allied men and material in Europe, and;

2) Drive a wedge between the American Armies in the south and the British Army in the north, and to cause (more) dissension between the allies with the intent that one or both of them would lose interest, at which point Germany could turn their full attention to the Soviets.

Hitler was nuts, of course, and some of his generals advocated for a smaller offensive that would cut off and isolate much of the British army in the north.

Nuts or not, in a fascist dictatorship the boss is the boss, and Watch On The Rhine was set to go, beginning the morning of December 16th.


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To: OKSooner

Put this into the mix. Had Antwerp been opened in a timely fashion, no Bulge, imo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_advance_from_Paris_to_the_Rhine#Logistics_and_supply

At this time the main Allied supply lines still ran back to Normandy, presenting serious logistical problems. The solution was to open the port of Antwerp. This major port had been captured at 90% intact on 4 September, but the occupation of Antwerp was not enough as the 21st Army Group failed to gain sea access by clearing the Scheldt estuary. So the port could not be used until 29 November after a protracted campaign by the Canadian First Army; initially the estuary was weakly held, but the German 15th Army was allowed to dig in there.

The delay in securing this area has been blamed on General Eisenhower as the 21st Army Group commander, Field Marshal Montgomery favored Operation Market-Garden and opening the French Channel ports over clearing the approaches to the port of Antwerp in the Battle of the Scheldt.


21 posted on 12/15/2019 11:24:42 AM PST by abb
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To: riverdawg

Good source

The Germans lost roughly 100,000 men compared to the Americans, who lost roughly 80,000 men, he said. “It is a huge amount of people killed, wounded or captured.”

there are more Americans killed after Christmas, than before.” The battle lines did not return to the December 15 position until January 25, 1945.


22 posted on 12/15/2019 11:31:19 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Doc91678

Yup. Patton’s intell knew well in advance that something was up and they made plans to counter it.

BTW, there was about 100 engineers who held up Pipers panzer group.


23 posted on 12/15/2019 11:38:01 AM PST by crz
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To: blueunicorn6
It forced the Nazis to pull tens of thousands of the best weapon they had against the Soviet tanks, the 88 cannon, and use them against our bombers.

And all the 88s did was force the bombers higher at enormous expenditure of rounds fired per bomber downed.

24 posted on 12/15/2019 11:51:37 AM PST by fso301
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To: crz

The 291st Engineer Combat Battalion under the command of Lt. Col. Peregrine.


25 posted on 12/15/2019 11:52:28 AM PST by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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To: OKSooner
around a mountain called "Schnee Eiffel".

For the record, the Schnee Eiffel isn't a mountain, it is a region of high hills or eroded mountains. Other portions of the Eiffel include the Vulcan Eiffel (known for its hot springs and geothermal plants) and the Hoch Eiffel.

26 posted on 12/15/2019 12:01:56 PM PST by PAR35
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To: fso301; blueunicorn6

The “Broad Front Strategy” was picked by the western allies for a couple of reasons:

1. Politically it was easier. By not selecting a single allied army, American/Canadian/British, it was easier to get all the allies to cooperate.

2. The western allies were just not up to mobile warfare on a large scale. A penetration on a narrow front can be cut off and surrounded and the army lost.


27 posted on 12/15/2019 12:02:47 PM PST by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!)
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To: Tallguy

Tanks are best used against clerks and cooks.

You know, I’ve never really studied the Soviet advance to Berlin.

Was it broad front or concentrated?


28 posted on 12/15/2019 12:07:01 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

Broad. Stain didn’t want 1 Marshal getting all the glory of sacking Berlin (political). Plus, it just made sense to dog-pile what remained of the German army. The German stength was the counterattack. If you’re main thrust stalled it was easier for the Germans to cut the off & chop them up. Keep up pressure on multiple fronts. Don’t let them breathe.


29 posted on 12/15/2019 12:13:34 PM PST by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!)
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To: OKSooner

“Four US Army divisions, plus some British Army elements to the north, defending an 85-mile front that’s about to be attacked by three German Armies. “

Actually it was only 3 divisions. The area between the 28th and the 4th divisions was purportedly held by the 75th division. Actually, the 75th division was still on the beach in France; the area between the 4th and 28th was actually occupied by the 23rd Headquarters Special Troops. This unit, 1100 men, spent the entire war impersonating other units as a decoy to lure or deter the Germans. The German initial point of attack was actually the area occupied by the 23rd.

I know this because my dad was there; he was a radio operator in Signal Company Special, one of the components of the 23rd Headquarters Special Troops, the Ghost Army.

http://www.ghostarmylegacyproject.org/


30 posted on 12/15/2019 1:01:43 PM PST by mike70
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To: NFHale

My late Uncle Fred served with the 84th. Infantry Division during The Bulge. He was wounded near Soy, Belgium in early January ‘45 and evacuated to England. 88mm. shrapnel almost took his head off. Never talked about it much.


31 posted on 12/15/2019 1:21:35 PM PST by jmacusa ("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?)
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To: OKSooner
In actuality the 84th. Infantry Division is one of the unsung heroes of The Battle Of The Bulge. The units up front of the attack could fall back and many did. But the 84th. was holding the Belgian village of Marche. Behind them was the Meuse River. There was no falling back unless the GI's wanted to take a swim and that wasn't going to happen. The 84th. held the center, right flank and had the 82nd. Airborne on their left.
32 posted on 12/15/2019 1:27:18 PM PST by jmacusa ("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?)
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To: fso301

I’m thankful the Germans didn’t produce more of their 128mm AA guns.American bombers couldn’t fly high enough to avoid them.


33 posted on 12/15/2019 1:35:57 PM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: riverdawg

As is usual revisionist history takes hold. Bradley had no plan for a counteroffensive and Patton came up with the wild plan to turn his armor group of tanks and mounted troops to break the German attack.


34 posted on 12/15/2019 2:03:42 PM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: fso301

Anti-aircraft is what the 88 was designed for. It use as an anti-tank weapon came about by circumstance, not design.


35 posted on 12/15/2019 2:08:22 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
Anti-aircraft is what the 88 was designed for. It use as an anti-tank weapon came about by circumstance, not design.

And boy was the 88mm superb as an anti tank weapon.

36 posted on 12/15/2019 2:11:21 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: crz

Hi.

“BTW, there was about 100 engineers who held up Pipers panzer group.”

My uncle by marriage, Sgt. Louis Provini was one of those engineers.

He was a good father and patriot.

5.56mm


37 posted on 12/15/2019 2:14:45 PM PST by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP! BUILD THE WALL!)
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To: NFHale

I had two uncles there. One was recovering from frostbite in the Hurtgen Forest and the other was an AA gunner in the 3rd Army. The AA gunner felt the same way about the SS. He said the only thing to do was kill the SOB’s.


38 posted on 12/15/2019 3:43:29 PM PST by sarge83
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To: sarge83

Hurtgen Forest was bad, bad stuff. Meat grinder.

Kind of got overshadowed in history books because the Bulge happened so soon afterwards.

Krauts were damned good on the defense. They knew their sh*t, no doubt. Chewed up quite a few units badly in Hurtgen.


39 posted on 12/15/2019 3:56:31 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
My old man was there. Said he’d never been that cold, ever before. And hated winter ever since.

I was stationed in Schewinfurt but we did our winter war games at Grafenwoher and in December of 60 {or 61, not sure of the year} it was 26 below and we were living out side in pup tents, on top of a damn mountain.

The wind was blowing so hard the tents blew over and we all went under the gun tarps.

Never been so cold and we had many men with serious frost bite.

I couldn't sleep for about 2+ days.

I'm glad that the memories of cold don't bring back the feeling.

40 posted on 12/15/2019 4:06:03 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist mooselimb savages, today.)
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