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Brother of UPS driver taken hostage and killed during shootout with cops reveals he was covering another employee's route - as FBI identifies diamond thieves who also died in the standoff
DM ^ | 12/6/2019 | By KEITH GRIFFITH and RALPH ORTEGA FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

Posted on 12/06/2019 1:44:57 PM PST by RummyChick

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To: Mr Rogers

Would you light up that van knowing that numerous unarmed civilians are down range from you?

or hide behind unarmed civilians?


41 posted on 12/06/2019 2:43:08 PM PST by chemical_boy
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To: Mr Rogers
If people were shot for running red lights, we’d have a police state.

The perps only fired back at the store attendants when the store attendants first fired unsuccessfully at the perps.

We know the police shot blindly into a UPS vehicle. Under what rules of engagement do we allow shooting blindly into a largely windowless vehicle—especially when innocents are in with them? How can even the perps fire blindly out through the metal and hit anyone? Because the perps did not fire through the steel back end, blindly, like the cops did.

Don’t be so stupid.

42 posted on 12/06/2019 2:43:25 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: southernindymom

How the F did you come to that conclusion?

You realize Florida is full of Hispanics, right?


43 posted on 12/06/2019 2:43:54 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: DesertRhino

The bad guys only fired when fired upon, starting at the store.


44 posted on 12/06/2019 2:44:49 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Drew68

I watched the video. Cops blew it in multiple ways.


45 posted on 12/06/2019 2:47:30 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: RummyChick

But you don’t just fire hundreds of bullets into a truck that you KNOW contains a civilian hostage!

There’s nowhere on Earth where that is considered proper police procedure!

Ed


46 posted on 12/06/2019 2:52:01 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: rollo tomasi

Totally acceptable collateral damage to make an example about trying to steal $3,000 dollars worth of jewelry. They will indeed be stopped at any and all costs period. I am now absolutely sure the next robbers will think twice before robbing a store and it will never ever happen again...


47 posted on 12/06/2019 2:57:18 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: ConservativeMind

“If people were shot for running red lights, we’d have a police state.”

According to the article, they were shooting at the cops while driving.

“Don’t be so stupid.”

I’m not. What is YOUR solution, besides not enforcing the law?


48 posted on 12/06/2019 3:00:14 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: ConservativeMind

“Under what rules of engagement do we allow shooting blindly into a largely windowless vehicle”

A large windowless aluminum and fiberglass vehicle. Might as well been air, there is absolutely nothing in a UPS truck that will even slightly slow down a bullet except the engine and trans. You can bet almost all those rounds went all the way through that vehicle no matter what direction they came from.


49 posted on 12/06/2019 3:02:07 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: RummyChick

And rightfully so!


50 posted on 12/06/2019 3:02:15 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: heartwood

Did the cops have to let the van get into heavy traffic? I don’t know how long the chase took, or if there was any way to get ahead of it.

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The truck had just made a u-turn at a roadblock.

The police should not have approached the truck in that situation.

My guess is there was no single person in charge who could have told them to back off and wait for the right time. This was a long pursuit and five police departments were involved.


51 posted on 12/06/2019 3:04:30 PM PST by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth, or producing more than we consume.)
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To: Chewbarkah

Some criminals should never be let out of prison. Would only take 5 normal citizens to decide on it. Oh well....


52 posted on 12/06/2019 3:12:42 PM PST by Shark24
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To: RummyChick
This may have been the UPS driver right here trying to belly out of the truck. Looks like their brown uniform and the perps were both black. Father of two little girls.

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53 posted on 12/06/2019 3:13:13 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: Kickass Conservative

According to this article, police fired over 200 rounds.


54 posted on 12/06/2019 3:21:45 PM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: FoxInSocks

I could be wrong, but It appears the cops finished off the driver while he was struggling on the steps. At post 53.


55 posted on 12/06/2019 3:40:24 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: RummyChick

Moral of the story: do not shoot guns on the freeway. Wow. The police in Florida need to visit Los Angeles, ride along with CHP on five car chases, and then go home after the weekend.


56 posted on 12/06/2019 4:16:52 PM PST by Falconspeed
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To: RummyChick

I’m thinking that a jewelry heist that just happened to occur on the day a certain UPS driver calls out sick makes that driver a potential accomplice.


57 posted on 12/06/2019 4:22:21 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: MplsSteve

Florida law enforcement.

Shoot first, figure it all out later. ........ Later, when the ammo runs out?


58 posted on 12/06/2019 4:36:02 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft ( #ReasonableDemocratsforTrump. Where are you?)
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To: Drew68

Police = Political Jack boots

They get plenty of training in oppression. Wait until they turn that anger and fire power against America patriots.

JoMa


59 posted on 12/06/2019 5:07:49 PM PST by joma89
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To: RummyChick
Can you point to the law that says they can’t shield themselves by a civilian vehicle when in the middle of a shootout.

My law...If you use one of my family members as a human shield while you are drawing someone's fire, I will hunt you down...

60 posted on 12/06/2019 5:13:49 PM PST by Iscool
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