America’s Invisible Pot Addicts

The Atlantic , ( getpocket.com -reprinted ) ^ | August 20, 2018 | Annie Lowrey

[NobleFree]

Nonsense - those people who before legalization were responsible enough to avoid marijuana use because it was illegal, will after legalization remain responsible enough to not use themselves into welfare dependency.

And since alcohol dependency is several times more prevalent than marijuana dependency, if legality means no end to welfare then that goal is dead already.

I figured out the Libertarians a long time ago. You have no interest in ending the Welfare State. You all just want to party.

Your lack of substantive response to my points is duly noted.

[Hiddigeigei]

A free society only works (or last) with a responsible citizenry.

[NobleFree]

A free society only works (or last) with a responsible citizenry.

Certainly - but there's no evidence for nor reason to believe that laws against irresponsible acts can make or keep a citizenry responsible.

[Hot Tabasco]

that had a son possibly susceptible to schizophrenia

I've always wondered if pot could have some such effect. My best friend's brother was a Vietnam vet, smoked lots of pot over there as well as after he got out of the service.

He went on to graduate from the University of Michigan. At about the age of 31 he began a downward slide into full blown schizophrenia, losing his wife, his home, his business, his friends.....living alone on a beach in northern Michigan, eventual hospitalization at the state mental hospital.........It was a horror story.

[gogeo]

I don't know and it ain't my business (I don't do drugs)...except for the gubment taxing me more to pay for other people's welfare. For as long as the gubment does that I have a vested interest in keeping as few people from doing pot or other drugs as possible.

I remember during whichever legalization campaign locally they promised 1)No harmful effects and 2)They would fund addiction programs.

In hindsight I don't know if they were programs to treat addiction, or cause it.

I'm good with the so-called libertarian approach. You do what you want, you're on your own. Should you end up in a gutter, lay there until you get better, or die. Steal from me to support your habit, prepare to be 'resisted.'

I was 'blessed' to to grow up in a household with two addict parents. It's given me an unfailing BS meter, and I can tell you it's been pegged repeatedly on this thread.

Why would you F#$K with your body or mind like that? Life is an amazing event and ends too soon for most of us. Who has so much IQ they're willing to p!ss it away?

[Tell It Right]

I'm in agreement.

And I'm crazy for Jesus. I believe that encouraging others into loving and trusting Christ solves most of the problems we face and, staying on topic, discourages drug use when you like how you're brain is thinking and operating to fulfil your God given purpose.

I also believe that trying to stop others from doing what they want is often very ineffective (i.e. the war on drugs). So as much as I'd like to not have a society full of dope heads, I think the best way to solve it is to quit postponing the consequences of dumb choices. That's what welfare does -- masks the consequences of dumb choices my making others pay for them.

[TianaHighrider]

Excellent reply. Bumping that.
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C.S. Lewis ...:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

[Caipirabob]

If there is one thing I learned on this thread, it’s that FReepers have no problem “consuming” one another over the slightest of slights,whether it is a disagreement on a political point, a misspelled word or perhaps an improperly used prepositional phrase. The left does not have this problem, they are unified by their very incompetence, hence they are leftists. Misspelling a word won’t get you verbally crucified, ‘cause few will notice. Yet we could do better in reaching out to each other in discourse on critical issues and not act like trolls to one another. I think y’all acting like this are high and just have the munchies...😬

[gogeo]

Not sure what you mean by "critical;" we certainly ought not hold one liberty hostage to another, as no-legalization-until-welfare-ends does.

Wrong. They're directly tied. As a taxpayer and non-smoker, I recognize the destructive potential in weed. Privatizing the decision making and socializing the consequences is pure BS. Do what you want to do IF I'm not responsible for paying to have someone water and tend the vegetables.

[LouAvul]

Oh, hush! Nobody cares what a couple of degenerate stoners think.

[NobleFree]

I believe that encouraging others into loving and trusting Christ solves most of the problems we face and, staying on topic, discourages drug use when you like how you're brain is thinking and operating to fulfil your God given purpose.

I also believe that trying to stop others from doing what they want is often very ineffective (i.e. the war on drugs).

Amen to all that!

[NobleFree]

we certainly ought not hold one liberty hostage to another, as no-legalization-until-welfare-ends does.

Wrong. They're directly tied.

From the fact that they're tied it does not follow that we ought to hold one liberty hostage to another.

[NobleFree]

Oh, hush! Nobody cares

You seem to care very much.

[LouAvul]

Chill. I’m playing with you.

[NobleFree]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[steve86]

“It’s very bad for you. People should not smoke pot. It’s too strong and destroys mental health.”

It’s all in the dose and the schedule. High dose, frequently or constantly is terrible. Expect incredible tolerance, constantly rising dosage and irreversible neurological and personality changes.

Alternatively, small or micro-doses*, spread out so there’s far more clear time than not, is not deleterious to the body or mind in any measurable way and can be therapeutic for certain conditions.

Moderation. Not a unique drug that way.

* I define micro-dose as less than half of the standard 10mg starting dose.

[dennisw]

bttt

[Lurker]

Apparently more people care about what we have to say than about what you have to say.

So go pee up a rope, Liberal.

L

[NobleFree]

Apparently more people care about what we have to say than about what you have to say.

Objection - assumes facts not in evidence: namely, that Lou has anything to say.

[LouAvul]

Chill. I'm just jerking your chain. Or, is it true? Smoking dope makes you paranoid?!