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The United States Is Starting to Look Like Ukraine Why the president must be impeached *(Barf)
NYT ^ | November 22, 2019 | Bret Stephens

Posted on 11/23/2019 5:16:01 AM PST by NorseViking

Donald Trump ought to be impeached and removed from office. This isn’t what I thought two months ago, when the impeachment inquiry began. I argued that the evidence fell short of the standards of a prosecutable criminal act. I also feared impeachment might ultimately help Trump politically, as it had helped Bill Clinton in 1998. That second worry might still prove true.

But if the congressional testimonies of Marie Yovanovitch, Bill Taylor, Gordon Sondland, Alexander Vindman and especially Fiona Hill make anything clear, it’s that the president’s highest crime isn’t what he tried to do to, or with, Ukraine.

It’s that he’s attempting to turn the United States into Ukraine. The judgment Congress has to make is whether the American people should be willing, actively or passively, to go along with it.

I’ve followed Ukrainian politics fairly closely since 1999, when I joined the staff of The Wall Street Journal Europe. It has consistent themes that should sound familiar to American ears.

The first theme is the criminalization of political differences. Years before Trump led his followers in “Lock Her Up” chants against Hillary Clinton, then-Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych did exactly that against his own political rival, Yulia Tymoshenko, who was sentenced to seven years in prison on a variety of byzantine charges after she had narrowly lost the 2010 election.

She spent three years in prison before her release during the 2014 Maidan Revolution. Key to Yanukovych’s efforts to discredit Tymoshenko was — who else? — Paul Manafort.

A second theme is the use of political office as a shield against criminal prosecution and as a vehicle for personal and familial enrichment. Why have so many of Ukraine’s oligarchs — including Burisma Holdings founder Mykola Zlochevsky — also served as government

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Society
KEYWORDS: 2020election; alexandervindman; bretstephens; burisma; dnctalkingpoint; dnctalkingpoints; election2020; ericciaramella; impeachment; manafort; mediawingofthednc; nevertrump; nevertrumper; nevertrumpers; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; partisanmediashills; presstitutes; smearmachine; trump; ukraine
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LOL. Ukrainization of US politics is obvious but in the opposite way. NYT exercises in projection as usual because presstitutes and Hillary are doing it and not Trump.
1 posted on 11/23/2019 5:16:01 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking
A second theme is the use of political office as a shield against criminal prosecution and as a vehicle for personal and familial enrichment.

Why you, low-down, dirty, son-of-a......waaaaaaaait a minute. This is satire, right?

Okay, NYT, good one. You got me.

2 posted on 11/23/2019 5:21:17 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would be have noandards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: NorseViking

NYet Times sided with Soviet gulags.

FUNYT


3 posted on 11/23/2019 5:22:03 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Recall that unqualified Hillary Clinton sat on the board of Wal-Mart when Bill Clinton was governor)
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To: NorseViking

The New York Slimes and the mAin stream media in conjunction with the DC swamp dwellers is what’s making the great USA start to look like a third world nation

And no I didn’t and wouldn’t read the filth this rag publishes.


4 posted on 11/23/2019 5:22:25 AM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: NorseViking

Bret Stephens name is on THE LIST!


5 posted on 11/23/2019 5:23:23 AM PST by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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So, the calls for impeachment before Trump was sworn into office are not criminalizing political opponents?

Years of investigations, hearings and false stories about collusion with Russia were not due to political differences?

Suppressing political speech on university campuses is not criminalizing speech?

The rise of ANTIFA is not turning one ideology into a crime?

Years of calling Trump supporters names like racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc are not due to political differences?

Once again, the socialists allege we are doing what they have been doing for a decade.


6 posted on 11/23/2019 5:23:41 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party is now a hate-group)
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BiteMe Biden extorts Ukraine to fire a “corrupt” “sonofabitch’ prosecutor.

President Trump requests investigations into Ukrainian corruption and he’s suddenly a “conspiracy theorist”

So where is BiteMe Biden’s evidence of corruption from the Ukranian prosecutor?

Did Ukranian corruption end with the firing of that prosecutor?

The Yellow Journalist pinko press is lying out of both sides of their mouth.


7 posted on 11/23/2019 5:24:34 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Recall that unqualified Hillary Clinton sat on the board of Wal-Mart when Bill Clinton was governor)
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First Peggy (dingbat) Noon and now Bret (et tu Bret?) Stephens. These journalists must have watched a different impeachment in another galaxy. It was a complete bust for the Democrats. And a triumph for President Trump. Even this idiotic column adds more public support for the President. It’s unreadable rubbish.


8 posted on 11/23/2019 5:24:49 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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US Embassy pressed Ukraine to drop probe of George Soros group during 2016 election

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/435906-us-embassy-pressed-ukraine-to-drop-probe-of-george-soros-group-during-2016


9 posted on 11/23/2019 5:25:05 AM PST by McGruff (Does no one is above the law apply to Democrats?)
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When you have to shoot, shoot! , Don't talk. - Tuco, The Good,The Bad and ,The Ugly..

notice the guy was a lefty.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTcBgs2huRo

10 posted on 11/23/2019 5:25:34 AM PST by Ikeon (Oops.. did I say that?)
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Years before Trump led his followers in “Lock Her Up” chants”””

That any American today could be locked up TODAY for the crimes publically listed and attributed to Hillary then dismissed by Comey doesn’t even enter this (literally) delusional persons head. Here’s the thing: The delusional HAVE to be dealt with at some point. There is no way around that.


11 posted on 11/23/2019 5:26:44 AM PST by TalBlack (Damn right I'll "do something" you fat, balding son of a bitc)
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At least the National Enquirer’s stories about John Edwards were proven to be correct.


12 posted on 11/23/2019 5:26:59 AM PST by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966)
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Idiot. This whole impeachment game has shown the common folk how corrupt the elites are . The Biden’s are a prime example of how elite families enrich themselves. Donald Trump has shown how the Deep State exists.


13 posted on 11/23/2019 5:27:01 AM PST by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served cold.)
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To: Ikeon

I don’t know how anyone with half a brain still buys their narrative. Although comment sections below articles like that says there are hordes of liberal zombies.


14 posted on 11/23/2019 5:27:49 AM PST by NorseViking
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Obviously, the author hasn’t seen the video of Biden’s crazed rant against Lindsey Graham that was just aired on Fox and Friends!
Wish someone who is tech-savvy could do a link to it. Biden totally THREATENED Graham.


15 posted on 11/23/2019 5:27:54 AM PST by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement!)
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According to democrats there was no corruption in Ukraine and President Trump should just funnel tons of American tax payer cash,no questions asked,to Ukraine,I’m sure that’s what millions of American tax payers want.
All the republicans should say is this,President Trump is I charge of foreign policy,period,he can tell the Ukranian president while standing on them White House Lawn,in Times Square,on every main street in America,I will help you with American aid when you clean up the corruption in your country and not before!
He has the right and AUTHORITY TO DO JUST THAT!
Stop with the banal quid pro quo crap,that is a phony argument,every time the democrats claim so and so said this,that’s a quid pro quo,say yes it is and I have the Authority of the Office of the Presidency of the United States of America to make the quid pro quo when it comes to Foreign policy,PERIOD CASE CLOSED!


16 posted on 11/23/2019 5:28:52 AM PST by ballplayer
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According to one of the jerk dems at the last or near the last hearing, merely thinking about murdering someone is as much a crime as actually carrying out a murder. Same with every other thought such as bank robbery etc. Just because you’re not successful (?) doesn’t mean it’s not a crime.

I don’t recall who it was or the witness at the time or the exact statements but it sure made one hope that this idiot was never a DA or US Attorney..he fully believed that one is guilty until proven innocent. At the least, I wouldn’t want him on any jury with that sick thought process.


17 posted on 11/23/2019 5:29:37 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: NorseViking
Why the NYT Must Die

NY Times is the enemy of your free speech

James Comey outs New York Times for fake news

Pulitzer-Winning Lies (NY Times)

18 posted on 11/23/2019 5:30:20 AM PST by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be destroyed.)
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To: WashingtonSource

These two are part of the same corrupt system. They appear to be conservative but in reality they push the Deep State propaganda. Besides who other than the elite bother to read them?


19 posted on 11/23/2019 5:31:53 AM PST by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served cold.)
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To: NorseViking

The Old Gray Lady should just give it up, and take up crochet.


20 posted on 11/23/2019 5:32:39 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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