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At the risk of major flames, I will say that GT makes some good points in post 964.

I have always kept the possibility in the back of my mind that Q/Trump are just another plot twist in the long saga of the derps manipulating us. That’s why the Second Amendment is so important.

That said, I still choose to believe Q/Trump are white hats. If I’m going to pick a side instead of staying on the sidelines, I’m picking Q. I prefer to choose an optimistic view of the world, to see the possibility of freedom and improvement in our lives rather than a dark dystopian future. (I had enough of the dark views during the 0vomit administration. Maintaining optimism during those years was incredibly difficult.)

Q is CLEARLY a psychological operation. The difference between Q and derp propaganda is that Q is manipulating us for OUR benefit. (Unless there is that plot twist at the end. Then 2A.)

The derps are CLEARLY derpy. So either Q are the good guys fighting the derps or else that means that EVERYONE with power is derpy -—> 2A.

Furthermore, most people are LOUSY actors. They are unable to hide their emotions. So in order for Q to be a black hat, that means that either people like Nunes are outstandingly good actors or else Nunes has no idea what’s going on and really believes his role. If it were just Nunes, I could buy it, but there are far too many white hats like him who would have to be duped.

Another good argument for Q = WH is that Q has repeatedly told us to think for ourselves. If Q is a derp, that’s a pretty dangerous ploy. How many would start learning to think for themselves yet stop short of questioning Q? Definitely some. But hopefully those of us here are bold enough and brave enough to question EVERYTHING. Including Q. I’m questioning Q right now.

The best argument for Q is that we still have our 2A rights, and more importantly that most of us on the non-derp side are well armed. If Q is also a derp, he/they would have to disarm us. That’s not happening. (If it does, they will move incrementally, with red flag laws as a likely first step. Oh, he’s clearly crazy. Of course you can take his guns. But they won’t bother me. I’m a model citizen. ... until the derps say otherwise.)

Here’s a wild theory: What if Q sent Garth Tater to check our progress? That would work for Q=WH or Q=BH.

I keep an open mind, but I put my chips on the best bet. Q is my best bet until proven otherwise.

"If Q is also a derp, he/they would have to disarm us. That’s not happening."

In my overly long post I mentioned that one of the two mistakes our would-be rulers made was failing to lock down the internet when it first appeared on the scene. The second major mistake they made was failing to get our guns.

Their high point in their quest to take our guns was the Assault Weapons Ban back in 1994. That was supposed to have been followed up by an insurance mandate* on the grandfathered weapons, but Slick Willy's zipper problems took away too much of his political capital and the insurance mandate never saw the light of day.

And then the internet started hitting its stride and information was shared among freedom loving Americans (BIG hat tip to John Lott) and they've been trying to recoup their lost ground ever since.

Thanks for the reasoned response Generally. Bagster said it was possible to have civil conversations in here and I guess maybe he was right.

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* insurance mandate = backdoor registration

I think the really short answer as to why we can't answer "Who are the puppeteers?" is that if the connection Q = WH were proof-positive, firmly established, the black hats would impeach him for leaking (what they could drum up and call) classified information. Hence, all the extreme rigor for encoding, all that today's technology can possibly bring to bear.

Disinformation is unfortunately necessary to win against black hats and the deceitful web they've created. PDJT has even allowed himself to be "slain" so many times in the media and in the Left's adherents' minds. (As Christians, we're supposedly programmed to revile him for such things--a well-worn strategy. But no, as Christians, we're not supposed to revile those that with their hearts earnestly seek toward Him, His Will, with love and salvation brought unto as many as possible.)

Disinformation will ultimately help win the big battles and buy more time for mothers to love their children us to love one another and more to believe and be Saved.