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Regarding the Incorrect Use of 'Decimate'
Merriam-Webster ^ | unknown | Word History

Posted on 11/16/2019 6:32:42 AM PST by Moonman62

It's totally fine to use 'decimate' as a synonym for 'devastate'. This is why.

The issue that many people have with the decline and fall of the word decimate is that is once upon a time it had a very singular meaning, a meaning that is in danger of being lost forever to the vandals and barbarian hordes who are manhandling the English language through using this word to mean “to destroy a large number of.” The specific complaint is that decimate had the specific meaning, in ancient Rome, of killing one of every ten soldiers, as a form of military punishment. There are, it must be said, some problems with the argument that this is the only correct meaning today.

The first problem is that even if decimate did refer to the practice of killing one of every ten soldiers in Roman times, it did so in the service of Latin, not English. We have many words in English that are descended from Latin but which have changed their meaning in their travels. We no longer think of sinister as meaning “on the left side,” even though that was one of the word’s meanings when it existed in Latin.

Another problem with insisting that decimate should have but a single meaning is that very few words in English retain but a single meaning. An enormous percentage of the items in our vocabulary are capable of semantic multitasking. When a person uses a tricky word such as when, a, person, use, tricky, or word, all of which have multiple meanings, we use context to understand the speaker’s intent.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Education; History
KEYWORDS: decimate; giveitarest; grammar; grammarpolice; language; ntsa; takeyourmeds; vocabulary; words
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To: raccoonradio

More than one spouse is spice...


61 posted on 11/16/2019 8:15:07 AM PST by null and void (Convicted spies are shot, traitors are hanged, saboteurs are subject to summary execution...)
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To: Moonman62

Until the likely civil war.


62 posted on 11/16/2019 8:30:16 AM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptors)
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To: Moonman62
First definition of decimate from the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary: "[usually passive] decimate something to kill large numbers of animals, plants or people in a particular area"
Cambridge Dictionary, First definition: "decimate verb [ T ] "to destroy large numbers of people, animals, or other creatures, or to harm something severely"
My American dictionaries (Webster New International Dictionary, Random House Webster's College Dictionary) give similar definitions.
63 posted on 11/16/2019 8:38:00 AM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: mjp
A word is just a symbol for a concept. The same word can be used to symbolize several different concepts that are still somewhat similar in meaning.

The enormous flaw in that argument is that words are meant to communicate specific meanings. While a word may convey many concepts, as you say, the meanings will be different for others who maintain a different "concept" of the word. That leads to linguistic chaos. While language and word meanings do change over time, the essential factor is that a majority must agree on meanings or language becomes useless as a means of communicating ideas.

64 posted on 11/16/2019 8:57:55 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Moonman62
We no longer think of sinister as meaning “on the left side,” even though that was one of the word’s meanings when it existed in Latin.

That's actually very appropriate today.

65 posted on 11/16/2019 9:23:33 AM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Bernard Marx

I cannot agree with you. Which of the 430 meanings of the word “set” listed in the Second Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary is the “correct” one?


66 posted on 11/16/2019 9:48:24 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Paladin2

LOL...Very good!


67 posted on 11/16/2019 9:58:51 AM PST by VMI70
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To: Moonman62

Meanings of words change. No one thinks of “ten” when they say “decimate.”


68 posted on 11/16/2019 10:14:18 AM PST by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: Moonman62

I couldn’t agree more but I suspect that we’re both peeing into the breeze. The price of sloppy usage is imprecision - if we actually were going to try to communicate pulling every tenth soldier out of the ranks and snuffing him, we’d have to use other words. That we’re unlikely to have to do that except in historical discourse is some comfort if you happen to be a soldier, I suppose. I want a word that describes killing nine out of ten politicians. Because the way things are going, we may need one.


69 posted on 11/16/2019 10:21:33 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Moonman62
Poor employment of language with the misuse of words like "decimate" and "sinister" only encourages Leftist intellectual laziness.

The Left wants Newspeak. If people do not have the vocabulary, perhaps their thought can be controlled as well.

I've got a cure for Leftism using 1984 as a guide, but they won't like it...

70 posted on 11/16/2019 10:41:11 AM PST by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: Purdue77

Aren’t there biblical references to the left side bad and the right side good?


71 posted on 11/16/2019 11:24:28 AM PST by FroggyTheGremlim ( Ha! Ha! Ha! Hiya kids, Hiya, Hiya)
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To: FroggyTheGremlim

“Aren’t there biblical references to the left side bad and the right side good?”

At least one.


72 posted on 11/16/2019 11:51:58 AM PST by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
I think context goes a long way toward defining the specificity of a given word usage. I haven't looked up all 430 definitions of "set" in the OEM but, in context, I suspect the varied meanings become clear. To use your example a trapper friend "sets" traps (verb). But once in place they're called "sets" (noun).
73 posted on 11/16/2019 11:54:16 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx

Not all of those meanings could have arisen at the same time. So I can’t buy your idea that meanings can’t change or it’s chaos. That’s one of the beauties of the English language. It can be vague or precise of something in between.


74 posted on 11/16/2019 12:38:57 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
That's not what I said. Meanings do change over time. As I posted earlier:

"While language and word meanings do change over time, the essential factor is that a majority must agree on meanings or language becomes useless as a means of communicating ideas."

I don't want to live in a Humpty-Dumpty world where, as he said, "When I use a word,it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."

75 posted on 11/16/2019 1:25:42 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Moonman62
LOL!

Virtually.

Literally. ...more words to abuse.

76 posted on 11/16/2019 1:31:04 PM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope.)
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To: Bernard Marx

I see. My mistake. Still, there’s always the case when a word or phrase is used in a new way for the first time. Shakespeare was famous for that.


77 posted on 11/16/2019 2:20:59 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Moonman62

OMG. This is one of my husband’s greatest pet peeves.

In his case, it seems to be mostly because of his affection for Roman history, so he is all too aware of what it was supposed to mean.


78 posted on 11/16/2019 5:13:36 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: Texas Eagle

Oh, DON’T get me going!


79 posted on 11/16/2019 5:24:32 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs)
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To: Moonman62
When a person uses a tricky word such as when, a, person, use, tricky, or word, all of which have multiple meanings, we use context to understand the speaker’s intent.

The problem with this is that words such as 'decimate' are being misused in a way that context is useless in determining meaning. To decimate something, how do I tell the difference between one-tenth versus a bunch? The only context that will tell is by literally telling you.
80 posted on 11/17/2019 12:49:38 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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