Posted on 04/29/2019 12:05:19 PM PDT by Moonman62
Volkswagen has crunched the numbers to show electric cars produce lower CO2 emissions than petrol- or diesel-engined models, for the entire lifespan of the vehicle.
While it may be clear that an electric car produces no direct CO2 emissions when driving, Volkswagen has demonstrated the wider savings through use of a ‘certified life cycle assessment’ process.
The company has taken the all-electric e-Golf, and the traditional diesel-engined Golf TDI, to demonstrate just how substantial the differences can be over the whole life of a car.
(Excerpt) Read more at motoringresearch.com ...
no
Did the cars use the same tires and tire pressures?
So?
“Does it count the CO2 from the power plant that charges the battery?”
Dude, click the link.
ManBearPig?
I bet it is. Prove me wrong.
Bunk. In fact EVC’s emit more CO2 than the basic gas engine
When CO2 emissions linked to the production of batteries and the German energy mix - in which coal still plays an important role - are taken into consideration, electric vehicles emit 11% to 28% more than their diesel counterparts, according to the study, presented on Wednesday at the Ifo Institute in Munich.
Mining and processing the lithium, cobalt and manganese used for batteries consume a great deal of energy. A Tesla Model 3 battery, for example, represents between 11 and 15 tonnes of CO2. Given a lifetime of 10 years and an annual travel distance of 15,000 kilometres, this translates into 73 to 98 grams of CO2 per kilometre, scientists Christoph Buchal, Hans-Dieter Karl and Hans-Werner Sinn noted in their study.
Above is an excerpt from a column by Karl Denninger of the Market Ticker: https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?blog=Market-Ticker
Electric cars are not the answer and never will be. The physics of Nature in the batteries says this. Unless a new breakthrough comes in battery technology it is a fools errand to for any auto company to bet the farm going in this direction.
So it is a car.
Why The F do I need to do that? Your ego too big for your britches? 2.8 seconds? Wow s/ do you plug in afterwards? LOl
Yes, we all know that Volkswagen is utterly and completely trustworthy...
New German Study Shocks Electric Cars: Considerably Worse for Climate than Diesel Cars, Up to 25% More CO2.
By P Gosselin on 19. April 2019
Germany’s Stuttgarter Zeitung here reports that electric cars are in fact pretty bad for the climate, it turns out. So, once activists are done banning fossil fuel powered vehicles, then electric ones will soon follow.
According to a new German study, electric cars have “significantly higher CO2 emissions than diesel cars”, and especially the Tesla Model 3 “performs particularly poorly” as it emits over 150 grams of CO2 for each kilometer it travels!
Up to 28% more CO2!
According to a study led by Christoph Buchal of the University of Cologne released by the Ifo Institute in Munich, when one takes into account Germany’s current energy mix — where the share of coal and gas still remains considerable — and the amount of energy used for electric car battery production, CO2 emissions by electric cars are higher than comparable diesel powered cars.
Co-authors of the study were energy expert Hans-Dieter Karl and renowned economist Professor Hans-Werner Sinn.
Citing the results of the study, the Stuttgarter Zeitung writes that when the production of the batteries is accounted for, an e-car “burdens the climate 11 – 28% more than a diesel car”.
Dirty e-cars: emit up to 180 grams of CO2 per kilometer!
The study also found that it takes great energy to extract the lithium, cobalt and manganese needed to produce the batteries, a process that entails the emissions of 11 to 15 tonnes of CO2 for one Tesla model 3 battery. The study found that the Tesla electric car in reality emits on average between 156 and 181 grams of CO2 per kilometer, which is “considerably more than a comparable diesel Mercedes.”
The Ifo Institute compared the Mercedes C 220 diesel cars and the new Tesla Model 3 in terms of diesel and electricity consumption and used the German electricity mix from 2018 as the basis for calculation.
The study also criticizes how the EU legislator likes to consider electric cars as being “zero-emission” vehicles, thus giving the impression electric cars do not cause emissions and have little impact on the environment.
Methane powered cars the cleanest
The Ifo Institute researchers found that other technologies, however, offer great potential, for example hydrogen electric cars or combustion engines powered by “green” methane.
According to the study, the methane-powered engine is the cheapest and is almost a-third lower in CO2 emissions than the diesel engine.
And:
ifo: Electric Vehicles not a Panacea for Climate Change
Apr 17, 2019
Electric vehicles will barely help cut CO2 emissions in Germany over the coming years, as the introduction of electric vehicles does not necessarily lead to a reduction in CO2 emissions from road traffic. Natural gas combustion engines are the ideal technology for transitioning to vehicles powered by hydrogen or “green” methane in the long term.
Considering Germany’s current energy mix and the amount of energy used in battery production, the CO2 emissions of battery-electric vehicles are, in the best case, slightly higher than those of a diesel engine, and are otherwise much higher. This has been confirmed by a new study by Christoph Buchal, professor of physics at the University of Cologne; Hans-Dieter Karl, long-standing ifo energy expert; and Hans-Werner Sinn, former ifo president and professor emeritus at Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München. The researchers carried out their detailed calculations using the concrete examples of a modern electric car and a modern diesel vehicle. In addition to CO2 emissions from battery production, they looked at alternative energy sources for electricity in order to calculate the impact electric vehicles have on CO2 emissions. They show that even with today’s technology, total emissions from a combustion engine powered by natural gas are already almost one-third lower than those of a diesel engine. “Over the long term, hydrogen-methane technology offers a further advantage: it allows surplus wind and solar power generated during peaks to be stored, and these surpluses will see a sharp increase as the share of this renewable energy grows,” Professor Buchal explains.
In their study, the authors criticize the fact that EU legislation allows electric vehicles to be included in calculations for fleet emissions with a value of “zero” CO2 emissions, as this suggests that electric vehicles do not generate any such emissions. The reality is that, in addition to the CO2 emissions generated in the production of electric vehicles, almost all EU countries generate significant CO2 emissions from charging the vehicles’ batteries using their national energy production mixes. The authors also take a critical view of the discussion about electric cars in Germany, which centers around battery-operated vehicles when other technologies also offer great potential: hydrogen-powered electric vehicles or vehicles with combustion engines powered by green methane, for instance. “Methane technology is ideal for the transition from natural gas vehicles with conventional engines to engines that will one day run on methane from CO2-free energy sources. This being the case, the German federal government should treat all technologies equally and promote hydrogen and methane solutions as well,” emphasizes Professor Sinn.
Publication (in German)
Buchal, Christoph, Hans-Dieter Karl and Hans-Werner Sinn, “Kohlemotoren, Windmotoren und Dieselmotoren: Was zeigt die CO2-Bilanz?”, ifo Schnelldienst 72 (08), 2019 | Details | PDF Download
you said it’s a car? LOL it’s a toaster hahahaha
only homosexuals and libs drive electric appliances/cars
Electric power plants are about 50% efficient.
Internal combustion engines are about 10% efficient.
That’s almost a 5 to 1 advantage.
There’s energy loss involving vehicle batteries that lowers that 5 to 1 ratio.
Electric power plants have the advantage of normally running on high hydrogen natural gas rather than gasoline.
There’s a lot of energy advantage to electric cars, provided there’s spare electric generation capacity to charge the vehicle batteries.
It is a case of letting the electricity/vehicle markets work.
The Chinese “Great Leap Forward” was a disaster. When market reforms were finally introduced, China then actually made great progress.
Politics is best left out of economic matters.
“Why The F do I need to do that? Your ego too big for your britches? 2.8 seconds? “
LOL! Outruns your souped up Viper! Jealous?
They’re recharging with power from nuclear plants in Europe..
It is estimated that if we totally switched over to EV’s that we would need to expand the power grid by 50% and what would that Grid have to run on to produce all that power, won’t be Wind and Solar.
Trump (referring to electric cars): ““It’s wonderful to have it as a percentage of your cars”
“Methane powered cars the cleanest”
Why are you pimping for methane powered cars?
...Or wait for a 6.5 to 7 earthquake whereafter electrical power may be down for days.
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