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To: Moonman62

Bunk. In fact EVC’s emit more CO2 than the basic gas engine

When CO2 emissions linked to the production of batteries and the German energy mix - in which coal still plays an important role - are taken into consideration, electric vehicles emit 11% to 28% more than their diesel counterparts, according to the study, presented on Wednesday at the Ifo Institute in Munich.

Mining and processing the lithium, cobalt and manganese used for batteries consume a great deal of energy. A Tesla Model 3 battery, for example, represents between 11 and 15 tonnes of CO2. Given a lifetime of 10 years and an annual travel distance of 15,000 kilometres, this translates into 73 to 98 grams of CO2 per kilometre, scientists Christoph Buchal, Hans-Dieter Karl and Hans-Werner Sinn noted in their study.

Above is an excerpt from a column by Karl Denninger of the Market Ticker: https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?blog=Market-Ticker

Electric cars are not the answer and never will be. The physics of Nature in the batteries says this. Unless a new breakthrough comes in battery technology it is a fools errand to for any auto company to bet the farm going in this direction.


27 posted on 04/29/2019 12:26:23 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Captain Peter Blood

...Or wait for a 6.5 to 7 earthquake whereafter electrical power may be down for days.


40 posted on 04/29/2019 12:40:28 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Captain Peter Blood

That study appears to have ignored the C02 costs for the production and use of the diesel used — they seem to think that just counting the diesel itself is sufficient, while counting the mining costs for the electric batteries.


56 posted on 04/29/2019 2:06:27 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Captain Peter Blood

I think it is funny when people hate on electric cars because of their political point of view.

If you have an electric car, you have the possibility of powering this car from multiple sources of energy — almost ANY energy we have can be converted to electricity.

But have fun trying to get that stream behind your house to give you gas for your car, if you needed to.

Electric cars have fewer moving parts, less wear on those parts, including the brakes, and in general are less prone to breakdown (but when they do, not likely to be fixed in your backyard).

They CAN have much more power and agility. They easily can be programed to provide superior traction (Nothing is quite as fun as being able to move slightly uphill on a sheet of ice, because of how the engine can literally pulse your tires in 1-inch increments, while the gas car is almost hopelessly lost trying to play games with the clutch on the transmission to get a slow start out of an engine that can’t spin at less than 600 RPM without stalling).


57 posted on 04/29/2019 2:11:03 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Great post with valuable information. I have researched the cost of electric cars concerning the lithium technology. You can buy lots of gasoline for the replacement cost you will need to do when they reach their lifespan. Given their poor range in cold weather, they could be a death trap. They also affect the resale of the vehicle. A Hybrid will depreciate faster than the comparable gas car because of the battery. Some depreciate by as much as 70% over five years. That’s more gas you could have bought for the loss of value.


78 posted on 04/29/2019 4:39:28 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Cultural Marxism is the cult of the Left waiting for the Mothership.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

“A Tesla Model 3 battery, for example, represents between 11 and 15 tonnes of CO2. Given a lifetime of 10 years and an annual travel distance of 15,000 kilometres, this translates into 73 to 98 grams of CO2 per kilometre, scientists Christoph Buchal, Hans-Dieter Karl and Hans-Werner Sinn noted in their study.”

Total bunk. The battery warranty is longer than that. Besides, the battery is recycled so the math is wrong.


84 posted on 04/29/2019 6:00:44 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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