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To: bagster; generally

Regarding the possibility of 0bola’s secret pardoning of himself, my .02 not based on reading all the graphic (no time sob sob):

1. WOuldn’t a pardon have to be part of some kind of public record?

and more compelling:

2. 0bola was not a legitimate president, due to using fake name, fake parentage, fake place of birth and fake nationality. So he was never a “real” president. Trump and his team know this.

Thus 0bola could not pardon himself (or anyone) as he was not even a US citizen.


1,376 posted on 08/31/2018 2:32:24 PM PDT by little jeremiah (When we do not punish evildoers we are ripping the foundations of justice from future generations)
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To: little jeremiah

My guesses on the topic:

1. My understanding is that it DOESN’T have to be public. (I could be wrong about that. I’m no legal expert.)

2. I would agree that he can’t pardon anyone because he’s an illegitimate president. (Again, no legal expert.) I think what the Trump team is doing is covering all bases. While they may very well try to overturn everything 0vomit illegitimately did while in the WH, they are not going to rely on that. I think ALL of these people are guilty of so many crimes it would make your head spin. And they didn’t suddenly stop committing crimes after 0vomit’s pardon.

I suspect that one reason this DS roundup has taken so long is that Trump is waiting for each and every one of the filthy vermin to commit yet another crime, so that if the pardon holds for past crimes, there will still be something new to charge them with.

Funny thing about these ongoing criminal enterprises .... they’re ONGOING. One crime leads to another, then another, then another.

I wonder how many people Hitlery had murdered to cover up her multitude of crimes. So much to cover up.


1,381 posted on 08/31/2018 2:39:26 PM PDT by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: little jeremiah

I don’t know if Obama pardoned himself, but I thought it would make sense because Trump keeps saying he could pardon himself (and the MSM goes NUTS). Trump is having fun with that one and it makes me think he’s trolling the left/MSM so that when Obama’s self pardons were revealed, they would have egg on their faces.

I have wondered about the possibilities - I asked someone jokingly if Obama hid the pardon(s) under the Oval Office carpet or something. Then I recalled that there was scuttling over Obama’s Presidential library. When the Trump Administration requested access to documents, Obama’s staff said, “No” and said those documents would not be available as they were impounded somehow for use in Obama’s Presidential library! Ha! Yeah...you can’t have evidence that incriminates him - he wants it for his library.

So the scuttling was supposedly related to Obama claiming he had jury duty when some think it was re his library papers (confiscation of same). So I’m wondering if that was the plan. File the pardons in his theoretically public library and access them when needed? Doesn’t seem legal, but maybe it would throw something into the hopper for the dems to scream about. “UNFAIR! HIS PARDONS WERE A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD!!!! AIIIEEE!!!!”

I don’t know - more to wonder about. If true, I was thinking they shot themselves in the foot again. Without pardons, they would probably be primary bound for federal court, where the MSM and other supporters have alot of attention and the talking heads could direct the public more thoroughly. But with pardons, only military, state, and international law apply. So they may have bumped federal trials off the itinerary and replaced them with military tribunals, state and international courts.

The same self-pardon rumor sources say that NY and CA pardoned them for all state crimes. So what’s theoretically still in play would be international crimes (and courts), some state courts and.....military tribunals. It would be like them to shoot themselves in the foot - or like the white hats to use black hat weapons against black hats!


1,406 posted on 08/31/2018 3:25:19 PM PDT by ransomnote
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