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To: Sontagged; grey_whiskers
No, I just did my research on the Shroud at length, because I was tempted by idiotic TBN-type arguments to believe in it in the early nineties.

No, Sontagged, you’ve been paying attention to/ atheists who don’t know any science or history. . . You’ve been ignoring my accurate rebuttal posts because they shoot down such claims as "the Shroud was created by Leonardo da Vinci" who literally could not have done so being born 100 years after its first known European expositions in Lirey, France. Such idiocy is the stuff skeptics raise to lead people down their lying pathways.

I follow the actual science and scholarship . . . Not the misleading myths of those liars who call REAL scientists working in their actual fields of expertise "pseudoscientists" because they are studying the Shroud. You’ve been echoing THEIR debunked stock in trade, claiming that because someone noticed something in the twelfth century, it became a full blown, but somehow SECRET technology, used only once on the Shroud, which, incidentally contains hundreds of those arcane, mysterious technologies, technologies we only developed in the twentieth and twenty-first century, that some unsung genius felt it was necessary to incorporate in his 14th century HOAX to extract French souls from pilgrims who would have paid the same amount to see an old bed sheet dipped in goat blood. . . and not known the difference!

That, of course, ignores the historical fact that Geoffrey de Charney, the Standard Bearer of the King of France, and the author of the French Code of Chivalry, as such a man who was supposed to be above reproach, the owner of the Shroud when it was purportedly created as this fake to con pilgrims out of their hard earned money, REFUSED to take any money at all, funding the chapel and the clerics who tended it at Lirey, out of his family’s coffers! He reportedly gave pilgrims who needed funds help. As a result, when he died, his widow had only the lands and the Shroud left as assets. . . Which is why and how it wound up in the hands of the Italian Royal House of Savoy. She sold it to survive.

Why does if not ring true this man would be a crooked con man?

101 posted on 07/17/2018 1:40:12 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: Swordmaker

It just doesn’t jive with what the Bible says. And, not that I believe in the efficacy of carbon dating, but the Shroud can’t be dated properly, either.

The important point is that I believe Jesus was resurrected from the dead; that He is come in the flesh.

And no one needs the Shroud of Turin for salvation. But the Lord says “heaven and earth shall pass away, but my Word is Eternal”...

So I must take what the Bible says over the Shroud.


103 posted on 07/17/2018 1:45:17 AM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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