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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The Confederate constitution explicitly established slavery.

Here we are once again focusing on Confederate slavery and completely ignoring Union slavery that existed for "Four Score and Seven years.

The US constitution protected slavery too, but it didn't do it explicitly, it did it through indirect weasel words meant to cloud the fact that it was protecting slavery.

But it protected slavery.

Had the confederates never declared independence, the Union Constitution would have continued protecting slavery, because the Union was a slave Union.

So people like you come along and go "Oh my God! There's slavery in the South! We have to wait till they secede, so that we can DESTROY SLAVERY!!!"

Bullsh*t. I call bullsh*t because the Union never had any intention of eradicating slavery, and it was not their goal for the war at all. The fact that it happened two years into the war does not make it the sole nail on which you can hang justification for invading and murdering people to control their money and commerce.

You people trot out slavery because you literally dare not look beyond that fig leaf. The war was about power and money for New York and Washington DC, and when the Confederates threatened their money stream, they deliberately provoked a war to stop it.

65 posted on 07/04/2018 8:03:58 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; Colonel Kangaroo; x; DoodleDawg
DiogenesLamp: "Had the confederates never declared independence, the Union Constitution would have continued protecting slavery, because the Union was a slave Union."

But contrary to what both DiogenesLamp and SCOTUS in Dred Scott argued, the Constitution also protected abolition by states and by Congress in US Territories.
Consider this: by 1867 absent Civil War there would already be 37 US states, 21 of them free states plus the five which had remained Union slave-states.
But of those, Maryland, West Virginia and Missouri abolished slavery on their own, which would make 24 free states.
And, of the remaining 13 slave-states, only the seven of Deep South were fully committed to it as their "way of life".
All the others had large and important anti-slavery populations which could eventually prevail.

So, hypothetically, in 1867 four of the 13 remaining slave-states needed to flip to ratify the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery.
By 1896, when there were 45 states, only two of the hypothetical 1867 13 slave-states, needed to flip for ratification and I'd suggest that among the states of Delaware, Kentucky, Tennessee and Arkansas there were very likely two who'd flip to free-states by 1900, thus ratifying the 13th Amendment.

Point is: our Founders placed no hidden road-blocks against abolition in their Constitution, regardless of what DiogenesLamp and SCOTUS argued in Dred Scott.

105 posted on 07/07/2018 10:20:15 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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