Q Anon: 6/20/18 FRiendly FReeper Collaboration to understand Q drops

qanon.pub ^ | 6/20/2018 | FReepers, vanity

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This thread is a friendly collaborative place for FReepers to analyze information and share opinons. FReepers have a wide variety of reasons for investigating Q Anon content; this is not the appropriate place to criticize or badger those who choose to use some of their time in this manner.

If you are new to Q Anon, the three links below provide overviews to help answer the questions, "Who is Q?" and "Why read Q drops?".

Is Trump Staging a Counter-Coup? [Q explained?]>
Note: The above thread has been locked for disruptive comments, but post #1 includes a strong, concise Who/What/Where overview.

Q Anon: A Freeper's post re the "new Parallel Construct that Trump has created"

First post to “Q” ping list. Please read and let me know if you want off or on it

You can locate Q Anon threads by searching the key word "Qanon" using the search window in the upper right of Free Republic's forum page.

If you haven't seen it yet, President John F. Kennedy's excellent speech regarding secret societies, as well as comments about the press, is located at the following link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMbmdFOvTs

A helpful FReeper passed along the following Youtube link to a good source for concise reviewes of Q drops, Praying Medic:
https://www.youtube.com/user/prayingmedic/videos

Praying Medic also has a a Twitter account:
https://anonsw.github.io/qtmerge

Q "drops" (i.e., posts) can be read with their original formatting on various websites. Sometimes the Q drop websites come under cyber attack or stop updating. This week, I've been using the following link:
https://qanon.pub

QProofs provide evidence that Q Anon is a legitimate source of information, has access to President Trump, and is serving President Trump's agenda:
https://www.qproofs.com/home.html

Q drops (i.e., posts) often use unfamiliar acronyms. Swordmaker maintains a list of acronymsto help FReepers understand Q drop text. The master list of acronyms is stored on Swordmaker's profile page. It's really great to have a convenient place to find definitions and explanations of terms used in the drops. Here is the link:
http://www.freerepublic.com/~swordmaker/index

Within our threads, Swordmaker posts updates featuring the latest terms added to the lexicon - you can find his updates on threads by looking for this silver Q graphic:

SkyPilot has been collecting Q Anon information into one interesting, detailed, "story of Q" post which I'll place here:
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3633313/posts?page=163#163

Here's a handy link for those who would like to read what people on Twitter are Tweeting about Q Anon:
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For those who want a little uplifting video which outlines the big picture that we are now striving for, here's a video from 2016 in which candidate Donald Trump outlines what he wants for Americans and America and his promises if elected.
This Video Will Get Donald Trump Elected

If you'd like to communicate your support for President Trump's efforts to "red-pill" Americans, you may want to use the link Hoosiermama posted which provides you with and email page - you can send the president an email. Here's the link:
Email support for President Trump

[bagster]

That's disgusting. A New York Liberal, carpetbagging, Meryl Streep related, anti-American scumbag disrespecting a REAL American.

I know this kind of stuff happens all the time, but some of these incidents piss me off more than others. I feel very protective of Sarah Sanders for some reason.

I think I'll put No Doll on this one. You live out that way, dontcha' No Doll?

Go over there and visit that restaurant and DON'T LEAVE A TIP??? (winky face)

I saw where people are making reservations and not showing up. How rude. (winky face)

Bagster

[bagster]

Post of the day, EasySt.

:)

Bagster

[Jack Black]

Bagster:

And THAT, Jack Black, is what you get when the egg-heads take over a movement. That mish mash of pseudo-intellectual words salad bears no resemblance to the original "alt-right" movement, which was nothing more than the younger generation of conservative Americans. All that B.S. and more was applied to it by pompous poindexters and the left.

Well, I both agree and disagree with your points. The Alt Right was popularized as a big tent movement in the early days of the Trump campaign, and was a big-tent sort of descriptor circa 2016, which was the first time most people ever heard the term.

Circa 2016 the term included a lot of people who would disagree with many or most of Vox Day's 16 points. The people being put forward (by the MSM) as the "leaders" of the Alt Right at that time were guys like Jack Prosobiec, Mike Cernovich, and Milo Yiannopoulos. The most famous quote from the era on the topic was Steve Bannon's "Breitbart is a platform for the Alt Right".

The most prevalent Alt-Right figure from that era was Pepe the Frog, who was deployed endlessly by the various trolls and autists (Pepe memes started on 4-chan, too, you know?)

The problem for them was that they really didn't agree with the White Nationalists who also used the term "Alt Right", and in fact had a much more legitimate ownership of the term. Richard Spencer CREATED the term, and ran a web site of that name from around 2010 onwards.

So, really, what you had were a bunch of young conservatives (and a few old ones, like Steve Bannon) latching onto a cool new term that seemed edgy without really doing any due dillegence to see what they were aligning themselves with.

That's an amateur's mistake in politics, but then all of the people listed were amateurs.

In other words, the "alt-right" was a breakaway movement from what we now call the RINOS or "establishment" conservatives and we see as just another wing of the Deep State.

Yes, but unfortunately for everyone who glommed onto that term the break-away was not invented by Milo and Cernovich in 2016 (though, they sure seemed to think it was) but by guys a bit older than them, a decade previously.

If you read TAC (The American Conservative) circa 2003, after it's founding, it was very much anti-Rino. Under the leadership of Pat Buchanan it continued the themes of the stupidity of the War in Iraq, the stupidity of "Free Trade", the dangers of unlimited immigration, the wrongness of globalism, and the rest of the paleo-conservative creed.

The roots of the Alt Right are clearly in paleo-conservatism. The roots of Donald Trump (in terms of his populism) is also very Buchananite.

The young-guns around Buchanan at the start of TAC (2002) radicalized and moved into places that I don't think Buchanan himself (or Trump, channeling Buchanan) ever did.

These were not new themes for Buchanan in 2003, he'd been writing and speaking on them for decades already at that point.

There were a lot of eggheads in the early Alt Right (again, talking 2010 here, not 2016) including Spencer himself (a PhD dropout), Paul Gottfriend (a professor), Kevin McDonald (a professor) and a lot of European "new right" intellectuals like Alain de Benoist and Guillaume Faye.

"Alt-right" was an empty vessel that people shoveled their crap into.

No, Alt Right was a brand that Spencer created, owned and nurtured, that others tried to shovel their shit into when they thought it was a cool new brand they could ride.

Well grifters and circus acts like Cernovich and Milo may have thought it was an empty vessel, but that was their mistake. It wasn't that hard to google up "AltRight.com" and go read what Richard Spencer and Co. were saying. If you didn't agree with that, (did they? I still don't know for sure), then it was STUPID to use that term.

For example, that horseshit you just quoted.

Wait, didn't you speak approvingly of Vox Day about two pages back? Or was that someone else? Were you unaware of his authorship of the 16 points and his self-identification as an Alt Right leader?

Vox Day is an interesting guy, but strange. He claims to be Alt Right, but much of the rest of the Alt Right are not particularly fond of him. He's half American Indian (strange, considering he supports White Nationalism), he's a science fiction publisher, he lives in Italy but is involved in American politics.. etc.

I don't think he fits easily into even the category he is trying to define.

I don't think his little list is really a pseudo-intellectual words salad. It's pretty short and straight forward. I think it's easy to understand most of the points and either agree or reject them. There is a lot of pseudo-intellectual word salad in the alt right though, that's true. Vox is an editor, he boils it down.

[No_Doll_i]

It is dangerous for me and b/f to go out to dinner anywhere in the area because we always talk politics (he is more vocal than I am).

I’m shocked we have not gotten kicked out or gotten in a fight yet.

(he kinda wants someone to start something with him at this point) LoL

[bagster]

Apparently people who follow Ms. Thulin like to follow beautiful women in general.

Female, beautiful, intelligent, politically engaged, funny, and conservative. If she can sing, then she is the perfect woman.

I'll take two.

Bagster

[ransomnote]

Well said. I don’t know any true conservatives who would have anything to do with a list that contained white nationalist sentiments, even if such sentiments were limited to a few points out of 16. The invitation to endorse “some, but not all” of the points of the list seems coy doesn’t it? What with the comment about “race realism and the call to “secure the existence of white people,” this “list of 16 points” is nothing more than a brush with which to paint conservatives (and Q) as white nationalists. Now WHY would anyone post such a list on the Q thread, I wonder? Hmmmmm....

[bagster]

(he kinda wants someone to start something with him at this point)

That's exactly my attitude. And I want it captured on somebody's cell phone camera and posted to youtube. Your man is lucky to be surrounded by lib-scum so he has a better chance to dance on an Antifa's head than I do. Fresno is so boringly red. (Home of Devin Nunes) Hahahaha.

Bagster

[No_Doll_i]

Yeah living there is not exactly a picnic.

I think most of the libs there don't take him on is cause he looks like a bada$$ with a John Bolton mustache

[Jack Black]

I’ve been around FR since 1998 and have admitted many times so who is the one being condescending?

Your profile says "Member since Oct. 11, 2013". What names did you use previously? Why did you change your handle?

Nuance IS a liberal thingHistory is a useful tool for people who want to understand things.

Think of all the pain that could have been spared if guys like Steve Bannon would only have investigated the term Alt Right, and had a little more "nuance" in choosing their labels.

Yes, the Alt Right is White Nationalist, which is far outside mainstream conservatism, which is why it was a spectacular failure for so many people to self-identify with that term (and use the iconography of the movement, like Pepe). We're not talking inconsequential people either. Steve Bannon, as the poster child.

Yes, I agree that the Left uses the term Alt Right to try to demonize all Conservatives. It's unfortunate that people walked right into that trap, but they did.

On the other hand: the Left will *always* use whatever terms they can to demonize the right. "Gun Nuts" "The Gun Lobby" "racists" "bigots" "homophobe" "islamophobe".

Mostly these terms are meaningless, or deliberately misleading on closer inspection.

Having Hillary give a speech denouncing a cartoon frog was one of the highlights of the campaign, and it hurt her badly. It was not a winning tactic.

Please continue to post what ever you like. As I stated previously I'm not here to please you.

[No_Doll_i]

I think there are those that come here to listen to themselves talk. Some seem to be searching for followers to make them feel relevant.

It is all very queer to me.

[bagster]

Just one quick response, Jack, and no more on this topic. Talking about the "alt-right" is a history lesson at this point. And like others have pointed out, could lead to identifying us here FReeQs as Fascists, racists, and Nazis. That's, which is about all the good that term is for anyway, now.

And at this point, that's about all that's left who identify themselves as the alt-right.

Once Spencer revealed himself to be a true racist, real people abandoned the term and the label. But good people carried on.

So, really, any discussion of the "alt-right" is nothing more than a history lesson at this point, and unnecessary. We good people have moved on, though many of us (myself included), looking for an alternative to the stale establishment, found a home there in it's modern infancy. We brought Pepe, Milo, Cernovich, and Prosobiec with us. Why would you call them circus acts? An army needs all kinds of warriors.

I never mentioned Vox Day because I don't know anything about it. You got me confused with another of your main protaganists on that one.

Anyway. I won't discuss the alt-right any longer. Not because I don't like discussion. I do. But because it is irrelevant and I don't want it to be used as a cudgel against the new movement, #TheGreatAwakening, starring Q and Donald Trump.. We are all soldiers in that movement. The new conservatism.

Thank you for the history lesson. Now put that aside and get on the bus to Freedom town.

And just so you know why C-cat said that thing about trusting you. I'll explain. He said, and I agree, that you seemed to be "Trying to stealthily tie FR conservatives to white supremacists...."

Given your history, you must know how your bringing up the alt-right out of nowhere must look, especially given atmosphere lately (on 8chan), Q's warnings about attacks "intensifying" and your personal history with the Q threads.

Either accept the reality of the suspicion and work to overcome it, or fight against it. I recommend option A. But you do you, Jack. I know you will.

But Jack. Know that I personally, speaking only for myself, want EVERY single FReeper on board with this movement. And every single conservative, Republican, Independent, Blue-piller, normie, zombie, and even stupid democrats to eat this particular red pill.

p.s. Leave Milo alone.

Bagster

[Conservative Gato]

You said this previously:

14. The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.

Not everyone in the Alt Right subscribes to all these points, but most everyone who identifies as Alt Right would, in my estimation, agree with most of them

Then you said this:

Yes, I agree that the Left uses the term Alt Right to try to demonize all Conservatives. It's unfortunate that people walked right into that trap, but they did.

If you knew that was a derogatory term for good conservatives, then why the heck do you even push that here and nuance the h*ll out of it???? Just to antagonize those who understand the real meaning of this term being derogatory and to marginalize good conservatives????

You realize this derogatory term is used by HRC, Hussein and the leaders of the left to be able to enforce their supporters in thinking that conservatives are in to white supremacy, which leads to being Nazi's and fascists. Why in the world would you want to come to a good freedom-loving conservative board with that derogatory term???? SMH

You would think someone who has been here 20 years would understand what this has evolved in to instead of using it to antagonize us. And yes, my first sign up was in 1998 but mostly lurked. When I came back to fight for candidate Trump, I lost the original username and created a new one.

Again, what is your motive to antagonize us with such a derogatory term???

CGato

[AZLiberty]

I'll take two.

You might want three. She likes bacon.

[bagster]

Ahahahaha.

The more the merrier, I always say.

Bagster

[grey_whiskers]

That's not what Vox is doing.

Go read his site for a year, if you can keep up. (Not an insult, his IQ is 150+ and a lot of his regular commenters are at that level or better.)

I'd call Vox a "White Sufficientist" -- that is, "It's OK to be white" -- and American and the West don't _NEED_ immigrants from non-historically-Christian cultures to succeed, despite the claims of the globalists.

Following the regular coverups of the Rotterham (and other) child-sex-rings run by Pakistanis in England, the coverup of the mass sexual assaults in Sweden and Germany by imported Muslims (mostly males of military age, despite the propaganda), and the covering up of the "knockout game" and the violence of illegal immigrants in the US...all indicate that the pell-mell rush to import as many people of color to the West as possible, and taking every step possible to prevent them from assimilating, ...is being done for nefarious purposes.

He supports the right of *freedom of association* -- the government should not FORCE you, rub your nose in, close association with people very unlike you.

[grey_whiskers]

Vox Punched Back, Twice As Hard.

Including the Sam Harris and P.Z.Myers atheists of the world: he ate their lunch in his book *The Irrational Atheist*.

They leave him alone now.

And the answer to the charge of "Ray-ciss" is "I don't care."

Liberals sputter when you don't quake in fear.

(See, like Donald Trump did when Me-Again Kelly attacked him during the debates. He's President, she's a nobody has-been with cropped hair and bitter eyes.)

[TheTexasMom]

Yes, I saw that, incidentally.

[bagster]

And the answer to the charge of "Ray-ciss" is "I don't care."

Andrew Breitbart....."So?"

Bagster

[grey_whiskers]

Troublemakers might do it, but only because they don't know Vox Day (even if only by lurking on his site).

The problem is that people have been cajoled by the left into automatically thinking in terms favorable to the left:

Sex-ist

Bigot

Homophobe

White Separaist

Fascist

Nazi

KKK

and they all flow together, so if you are accused, you spin your wheels and emit smoke, because if even just one charge sticks, you're guilty of ALL of it.

Vox is in a certain way, like the President: President Trump relies on deal-making and populism, but Vox Day switches between pulveizing logic, and biting rhetoric.

Oh, and I might as well point out -- his dad got jailed for securities fraud or something (even otherwise hostile lawyers said his dad was railroaded)

...and his band Psykosonik had three or four Billboard top 100 hits (IIRC)...

...and he's started his own publishing house, and was outing pedophilia in the SciFi area before most people heard of Q

...and he's American Indian (so much for "White Supremacist")

...and he lives in Italy.

Go figure.

[ransomnote]

This thread has now retired.

ThankQ to all who made it interesting and to those who kept us company by lurking.

Our latest Q thread is here:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3665699/posts?page