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76th Anniversary of the battle of Midway this coming Monday
June 3, 2018 | Fai Mao

Posted on 06/03/2018 1:13:48 AM PDT by Fai Mao

You can't visit Midway anymore, or Iwo Jima or wake. Those are the only three major battle sites from the Pacific War I've not managed to visit.

You can watch the movie account on Amazon.

Midway w/Charleton Heston, Henry Fonda et al.


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: 19420603; battleofmidway; johnparshall; midway; worldwar2
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To: Fai Mao

“”You can’t visit Midway anymore, or Iwo Jima or wake””

Why not?


21 posted on 06/03/2018 1:30:02 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush

Nobody real lives on the islands. There is no place to stay and no way to get there.

Midway and Wake are bird sanctuaries and it requires a special permit. There is no regular flight or ship that calls at them. Iwo Jima is, from what I understand, a nasty island that is an active volcano. Iwo Jima used to be maintained as an emergency landing place for transpacific airliners in an emergency. I don’t know if it still is.


22 posted on 06/03/2018 1:49:30 PM PDT by Fai Mao (There is no rule of law in the US until The PIAPS is executed.)
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To: Fai Mao

The movie, as most movies have to, leaves out most of the story of Midway. Get a book. And if you’re really interested, get this superb history of Midway that includes a Japanese accounting.

https://www.amazon.com/Shattered-Sword-Untold-Battle-Midway/dp/1574889249


23 posted on 06/03/2018 1:50:56 PM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: Jacquerie

It least Chicago got it right. Midway airport’s name and the other airport, O’Hare, named the first naval recipient of the Medal of Honor in World War II.


24 posted on 06/03/2018 1:55:05 PM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: iowamark

In grade school in the early fifties, we had to learn the names of the four Japanese carriers that were sunk at Midway. Today, the kids don’t even know there was a war.


25 posted on 06/03/2018 2:00:13 PM PDT by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: Fai Mao

WWII veterans have held reunions on Iwo Jima, haven’t they? They must have arrived by boat. Or am I thinking of another one of the islands? I am reading O’Reilly’s “Killing the Rising Sun” and like all his other books, an excellent read. Some new, some we learned over the years but all interesting. Don’t think I’d learned or remembered that the USS Indianapolis had already been returned to the states for repairs before taking on the shipment of the atomic bombs. At one time I did have a paperback of that story but I sure didn’t remember that it was covered as I’m sure it would have been.


26 posted on 06/03/2018 2:27:05 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Fai Mao

Answered my own question by googling... Very interesting.

“”Iwo Jima, an 8-square-mile volcanic island south of Japan, was the site of a major WWII battle between the U.S. and Japan. The island is closed off year-round except for the annual veterans visit.””

https://www.postguam.com/news/local/rd-reunion-of-honor-wwii-veterans-tour-guam-revisit-iwo/article_c705d156-2e7a-11e8-bfbf-7310fccc18ed.html


27 posted on 06/03/2018 2:32:51 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Fai Mao

Jonathan Turley did a great series of articles from the islands in 2017. This is the first one and you might be able to access the others from that one. They were all super reading...You’ll get a bang out of this one with “honors” to Hank Johnson - LOL

https://jonathanturley.org/2017/02/07/day-one-guam/


28 posted on 06/03/2018 2:41:01 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Fai Mao
HEROISM OF TORPEDO SQUADRON 8

All members of Torpedo Squadron 8 who flew from the USS Hornet during the battle perished in the action, with the exception of Ensign George Gay. 

From Wikipedia: 
The squadrons first and best-known combat mission came during the Battle of Midway on 4 June 1942. Flying the vulnerable Douglas TBD Devastators, Commander John C. Waldron's 15 planes were all shot down during their unescorted torpedo attack on four Japanese aircraft carriers. The squadron did not destroy any enemy aircraft with their rear .30-caliber machine guns, nor did they damage any of the Japanese carriers.
The last of Torpedo Eight's planes take off from the USS Hornet,
on June 4,1942, flown by squadron commander John C. Waldron
with Horace Franklin Dobbs, CRMP, in the rear seat; a short time
later they would both be dead along with the rest of the squadron.
Famous Academy Award wining Director John Ford ("The Grapes of Wrath" & "How Green Was my Valley") was in the navy and at Midway during the battle. A few year ago for Christmas I received the "Ford At Fox" collection of his movies on DVD and it had as a "special feature" the documentaries John Ford made during World War II while he was in the U.S. Navy. They include the well know Academy Award winning documentaries on "Pearl Harbor" and the "Battle of Midway." It also included a little known, and not distributed, documentary called "Torpedo Squadron 8" a documentary made only for the family's of the squadron members who died in the Battle of Midway. Torpedo Squadron 8 (VT-8) was a United States Navy squadron of torpedo bombers operating from the aircraft carrier USS Hornet. It is an emotional experience watching this color documentary, showing these young American navy flayers taken shortly before their deaths. So young ... so alive....so "boy next door" joking and smiling." I've seen a few excerpts from the documentary in the Documentary "John Ford Goes to War" but until now no one has seen the entire film except the producers and a few families on the home front.

Ford was on the island of Midway during the battle in 1942 and personally supervised, or himself filmed, the action there. Others of his crew were at sea aboard carriers. A good deal of color footage was shot. By happenstance, some of the footage focused on the pilots and crew members of Torpedo Squadron 8 who all except one died a few hours later. Some of the shots showed them as a group, and others showed them as individuals, going about their business, laughing and joking around their airplanes. The Navy men flew obsolete torpedo planes, called Devestators. Because of what Clausewitz called "the fog of war," they arrived at their targets unescorted by fighters and all of the torpedo planes were shot down. There was only one survivor. Of course, Ford knew this when he was assembling the film, so among the opening credits is a plaque reading, "In Memoriam." Releasing a film like this for general distribution was out of the question in wartime, so, as I understand it, Ford saw to it, or tried to see to it, that copies of the film were only given to the families of Torpedo Squadron 8. (from the IMDB)

Now 65 years later it's available on DVD in the Ford At Fox Collection.


A List of Fallen:

Lt. Commander John C. Waldron 
Lt. Raymond A. Moore 
Lt. James C. Owens, Jr. 
Lt.(jg) George M. Campbell 
Lt.(jg) John P. Gray 
Lt.(jg) Jeff D. Woodson 
Ens. William W. Abercrombie 
Ens. William W. Creamer 
Ens. Harold J. Ellison 
Ens. William R. Evans 
Ens. Henry R. Kenyon 
Ens. Ulvert M. Moore 
Ens. Grant W. Teats 
Robert B. Miles, Aviation Pilot 1c 
Horace F. Dobbs, Chief Radioman 
Amelio Maffei, Radioman 1 
Tom H. Pettry, Radioman 1 
Otway D. Creasy, Jr. Radioman 2 
Ross H. Bibb, Jr., Radioman 2 
Darwin L. Clark, Radioman 2 
Ronald J. Fisher, Radioman 2 
Hollis Martin, Radioman 2 
Bernerd P. Phelps Radioman 2 
As well L. Picou, Seaman 2 
Francis S. Polston, Seaman 2 
Max A. Calkins, Radioman 3 
George A. Field, Radioman 3 
Robert K. Huntington, Radioman 3 
William F. Sawhill, Radioman 3 

From Wikipedia:
 
Failure of the Hornet's captain and air group commander to provide proper coordination led to the disaster, though in fairness, VT-3 from Yorktown (CV-5) and VT-6 from Enterprise (CV-6) fared little better. Of all 41 torpedo planes which sortied that day, only six survived. However, it is possible that the act of drawing away the Japanese Zero fighters during the doomed attack allowed a subsequent wave of American dive bombers to later sink three of the four Japanese carriers.

Author Herman Wouk in his novel "War and Remembrance" has listed the members of torpedo squadron 8 and two other torpedo squadrons from the U.S.S. Yorktown and U.S.S. Enterprise and said this about the naval aviators that attacked the Japanese aircraft carriers that day
 
"So long as men choose to decide the turns of history with the slaughter of youths--- and even in a better day, when this form of human sacrifice has been abolished like the ancient superstitious, but no more horrible form--- the memory of these three American torpedo plane squadrons should not die. The old sagas would halt the tale to list the names and birthplaces of the men who fought so well. Let this romance follow the tradition. These were the young men of the three squadrons, their names recovered from an already fading record."

Wouk then lists the names and home town of all of the crew member in the three squadrons with those who died outlined in black. It is the most haunting section of his great novel.

All together, these three torpedo Squadrons lost 33 pilots and 45 radiomen-gunners that day. The slow obsolete American torpedo planes were slaughtered by Japanese Zeroes and AA fire. Herman Wouk had this to say:
"In a planned coordinated attack, the dive-bombers were supposed to distract the enemy fighters, so as to give the torpedo planes their chance to come in. Instead the torpedo planes had pulled down the Zeroes and cleared the air for the dive-bombers. What was not luck, but the soul of the United States of America in action, was this willingness of the torpedo plane squadrons to go in against hopeless odds. This was the extra ounce of martial weight that in a few decisive minutes tipped the balance of history."

The Japanese lost four aircraft carriers and the U.S. lost the Yorktown in this naval battle fought from the air.
 

 

29 posted on 06/03/2018 2:42:26 PM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: Thank You Rush

Much of the island is still heavily booby-trapped, so wandering about without a guide is dangerous. So many of the caves and tunnels were simply blown up too close them off, rather than pursuing the Japanese into them. Early on, after the war, there were quite a few people who got hurt or killed while souvenier hunting.


30 posted on 06/04/2018 12:30:42 PM PDT by tarawa
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