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Scientists Confirm Earliest Use of Fire and Oldest Stone Handaxe in Europe
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| Tuesday, May 1, 2018
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Posted on 05/06/2018 7:42:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Cueva Negra deep layer with thermally altered remains. Courtesy Michael Walker, et. al.
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05/06/2018 7:42:54 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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05/06/2018 7:44:03 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
(www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
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05/06/2018 7:44:12 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
(www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
To: SunkenCiv
550-600C...too hot. Needed to learn temperature control.
Medium rare beats full char.
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posted on
05/06/2018 7:48:40 PM PDT
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Deaf Smith
(When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's62 fore sure)
To: SunkenCiv
“Scientists” cannot possibly “confirm” such a thing. Is the science settled?
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posted on
05/06/2018 7:49:55 PM PDT
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Some Fat Guy in L.A.
(Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
To: SunkenCiv
Over 850,000 years old? And I thought the Neanderthal hand axe in my collection from 70,000 years ago was old.
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05/06/2018 7:52:30 PM PDT
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Inyo-Mono
To: SunkenCiv
It’s probably just Neanderthals putting too many zeroes on the date stamps. They weren’t very good with dates or numbers. One factor for their extinction was getting home at night forgetting it was their wedding anniversary.
To: SunkenCiv
First use of fire “outside Africa”.
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posted on
05/06/2018 8:20:59 PM PDT
by
arrogantsob
(See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
To: SunkenCiv
“Researchers do not yet know what species of ancient human occupied the rockshelter during this early time period, but they suggest that they were pre-Neanderthal, possibly Homo heidelbergensis, Homo antecessor, or Homo erectus.”
Likely not Homo Erectus. They didn’t really enter the scene until the 1970s.
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posted on
05/06/2018 8:25:51 PM PDT
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BobL
(I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
To: SunkenCiv
If fire was being used 900,000 years ago why did it take until 10,000 years ago or so to start cities and cultivation and the like? It seems they (Neanderthals/Humans) must have realized what was going on by the point.
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05/06/2018 8:26:05 PM PDT
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Az Joe
(Gloria in excelsis Deo)
To: SunkenCiv
"Of greater importance can be counted recent arguments for the use or manufacture of stone tools in time periods predating by some half a million years the earliest Homo fossils known so far [95,96], and the potential they have to shrink the adaptive space between Homo and Australopithecus still further. Indeed, the expanded brain size, human-like wrist and hand anatomy [97,98], dietary eclecticism [99] and potential tool-making capabilities of generalized australopiths root the Homo lineage in ancient hominin adaptive trends, suggesting that the transition from Australopithecus to Homo may not have been that much of a transition at all.9":
From Australopithecus to Homo: the transition that wasn't
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posted on
05/06/2018 9:07:39 PM PDT
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Fedora
To: Az Joe
#10 It was Aliens.
They dropped by to visit about 10,000years ago.
To: BobL
To: DoodleBob
Wow, didn’t realize they came in that form too.
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posted on
05/06/2018 9:46:02 PM PDT
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BobL
(I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
To: SunkenCiv
So when will 23andMe manage to get some H. heidelbergensis or H. erectus DNA so they can inform their clientele whether they have any heidelbergensis or erectus DNA? They do that now with Neanderthal DNA but the Neanderthals died out relatively recently.
To: Az Joe; SunkenCiv
Az Joe - civilization and fire are complementary "things" - civilization (which MEANS living in cities, "civis") only makes sense if your groups lifestyle is tied to one place. Otherwise, if you are nomads (and that's not a bad thing *) then there is no point in building a city when you travel from pasture to pasture
* we think that a hunter-gatherer's lifestyle is short,brutish and disease-ridden, whereas the opposite is more apt --> Khoi-san hunter-gatherers need to "work" only about 6 hours per day and that includes 3 hours of hunting and 3 hours of preparing hunting tools, planning etc. The rest of the time is leisure. Ditto for their women, work time is 6 to 7 hours daily. AND they live in a desert region. Imagine hunter-gatherers in places with more game - work time could be as little as 4 hours daily. Agriculture workers and farmer had to toil more than 8 hours daily for the same nutrition levels
Also note that hunter gatherers in Europe during the Neolithic period were 5'10" (male) and 5'6" on average while during the middle ages this was 5'5" and 5'.
If you have easily available game, you can also gatehr wild vegetables or do basic horticulture like eat good melons at spot A, toss the seeds around, tear up the weeds and come back to the same place next year. There is no point in settling down in this case (which is why Japan got cities relatively late).
As for fire - that makes sense - you cook the meat and veggies and they are easier to digest, you find you are more energetic (as you can digest more nutrients)
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05/06/2018 10:55:24 PM PDT
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Cronos
(Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
To: Verginius Rufus
I believe all homo homo sapiens sapiens (i.e. US) have H.erectus DNA. They were the ancestors of h sapiens. Not sure about h.heidelbergensis
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05/06/2018 10:57:15 PM PDT
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Cronos
(Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
To: DoodleBob
I remember seeing that album in the PX many years ago...
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posted on
05/06/2018 11:02:55 PM PDT
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PLMerite
("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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posted on
05/07/2018 1:54:21 AM PDT
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SunkenCiv
(www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.
These scientists based their date range on evidence. You're merely talking out your ass.
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05/07/2018 1:55:01 AM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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