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Naval Aviators Say They Were Kicked Out of Training Due to Racial Bias
Military Comm ^ | 4/2018 | Seck

Posted on 04/12/2018 7:48:37 AM PDT by pabianice

Courtland Savage never expected to fly fighter jets.

Though he had served in the Air Force Reserve before transferring to the Navy and knew his way around a C-17 Globemaster transport, his test scores weren't the highest and the demanding, elitist culture of fighter aviation seemed beyond his reach...

Less than two years later, though, Savage would be kicked out of fighter training and find his Navy career in shambles. While he acknowledges he struggled in some disciplines, he believes that implicit racial bias ultimately made the difference for him between having his training cut short and being given another chance...

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To: pabianice

Nice to know that now crazies want to fly people around knowingly they are not safe.


21 posted on 04/12/2018 8:04:29 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucifiedc)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Many are called, but few are chosen.


22 posted on 04/12/2018 8:04:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: pabianice

So, he admits he is less than stellar in some respects, but he still thinks he should be moved to the top?

And that is what jet fighter pilots need to be- the top. They have far more people that want to be pilots than positions available, so they can choose only the best.

Occasionally some doofus makes it and crashes their plane (like McCain) or sets an aircraft carrier on fire (like McCain) or gets 127 men killed (like McCain).

Does he think we need an ‘affirmative action’ program for jet pilots?


23 posted on 04/12/2018 8:06:42 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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To: pabianice

Should the Navy lower their training standards to pass this airman?
And put crew and other aviators at risk.

No.

Maybe the Navy can find a plane he can fly that matches his
abilities.


24 posted on 04/12/2018 8:07:50 AM PDT by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small fee.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Hey, speak for yourself. I know I was too short to dunk and I “struggled” to hit my free throws consistently, but it was implicit racial bias that caused me not to get picked for the NBA, rather than be given another chance.


25 posted on 04/12/2018 8:07:53 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: pabianice

There are still many careers and ventures in life where the principle is antelopes v cheetahs, only the best survive, and political correctness can’t penetrate.


26 posted on 04/12/2018 8:09:31 AM PDT by lurk
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To: pabianice

No worries, no doubt medical school and neurosurgery residency await!
Or there’s always air traffic control.


27 posted on 04/12/2018 8:09:36 AM PDT by GnuThere
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To: pabianice

If you can’t put the plane on the carrier deck then you can’t be a Navy pilot. That’s the real world.


28 posted on 04/12/2018 8:10:25 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: boycott

I can’t believe they gave him that name- He probably thought that THEY thought of him as Tom Cruise (’Maverick’ from the move ‘Top Gun’) but in actuality they knew he was stupid enough to fall for it, and do whatever the dems wanted, as long as they kept calling him that.

It’s like when you call a tall man ‘shorty’, but he was too stupid to realize.


29 posted on 04/12/2018 8:10:28 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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To: Aria

I’ll be you are exactly right. My sister teaches poor black children (and a few poor white kids) in an inner city Baltimore school (middle school math). The entitlement mentality is unbelievable by age 12 including expectations of favored treatment because of skin color. Teachers at her school have been fired for telling the kids the truth — the world is brutal, competitive, and only rewards excellence.


30 posted on 04/12/2018 8:14:27 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: pabianice
But then he got his Navy Standard Score, or NSS, used for placement in aviation training. He'd managed a 50.9 -- a hair over the score of 50 needed to qualify for fighters.

He'd internalized the message he'd received from other African-Americans when he entered training: You have to be twice as good to be average.

He wasn't even doing that!!

31 posted on 04/12/2018 8:16:35 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Mr. K
I'm SURE that, just because McCain's Father and Grandfather were both Admirals, and that Lt. McCain was a schoolmate, from Annapolis High, the flight school selection board would NEVER wink at a less than 4.0 performance from McCain the Third.

Even in the middle of an unpopular war...

32 posted on 04/12/2018 8:17:24 AM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: pabianice

That Savage bell curve strikes again.


33 posted on 04/12/2018 8:18:04 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: lurk

“political correctness can’t penetrate”... Based on limited experience the Navy probably saved this characters life. Can you say “ramp strike” or “target fixation” or “mid-air”?

If they tell you that you are not fully qualified go find something else to do. You will live longer (and prosper, hopefully).


34 posted on 04/12/2018 8:18:25 AM PDT by RedEyeJack (What was the basis for the restriction?)
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To: Red Badger

Wasn’t it McCain that had that dogfight on the Forrestal that almost sunk it. I think he fired a stinger into the plane across from him. I was told if he had destroyed one more aircraft that was in flight at the time he’d have been considered a North Vietnamese ace.


35 posted on 04/12/2018 8:21:20 AM PDT by MCRD
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To: ClearCase_guy

“It is a Constitutional right that every America be certified as a Naval Aviator. [/Libspeak]”

My correction

It is a Constitutional right that every American, except heterosexual or non-Muslim white or Asian males, be certified as a Naval Aviator. [/Libspeak]


36 posted on 04/12/2018 8:22:48 AM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: Army Air Corps
he believes that...

Dunning-Kruger effect.

37 posted on 04/12/2018 8:23:34 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Aria; pabianice
"Our warfighting effectiveness depends on attracting and retaining the most talented people from the widest reaching, most diverse talent pools. Diversity is critical to our success." I am so sick of this magical incantation.

This meaningless virtue signaling is nothing more than a ineffective magical phrase meant to ward off attacks from the Leftist hoards that coming to point fingers and shout accusations of unfairness.

Sorry you poor sad idiots; being a fighter pilot is not something that should have racial quotas. You want the best possible pilot in that seat for his sake and ours.

Men die all the time in those jets. In combat and in training.

You are doing no one any favors by putting them in that seat if they are not qualified.

38 posted on 04/12/2018 8:27:56 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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To: pabianice

99.999% of us have never even ridden in an F-18, let alone had the opportunity to fly one.

And flying is not the same as combat operations.

I’m sure I could have flown one, for the sake of flying it. The question of whether I had the skills necessary to operate it properly and not get killed in a combat setting is a different story entirely.


39 posted on 04/12/2018 8:29:45 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Life is about ass, you're either covering, hauling, laughing, kicking, kissing, or behaving like one)
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To: pabianice
Same thing goes for Ranger/Seal/SF training.

Six months out of college, I was at Fort Benning for Airborne School. A few of my friends were at Benning at the time, and they exhorted me to go to Ranger School immediately after Jump School. Try as they might, I knew my limitations, despite being in the best shape of my life.

I was not a runner, though I could handle long range patrols with relative ease. I didn't have that burning desire you need to make it through Ranger School, either.

40 posted on 04/12/2018 8:34:36 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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