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To: DiogenesLamp

A cause they did not even discover they were actually fighting for until two years into the conflict.....after being told this is what they were fighting for by Mill.....despite the offer of slavery expressly protected by constitutional amendment that would still be irrevocable even today without the consent of the dlaveholding states and despite the nearly unanimous resolution passed by Congress declaring this is not what they were fighting for and despite Lincoln’s repeated denials that this is what they were fighting for.

Theirs was revisionist history right from the start. Unfortunately for purveyors of this propaganda, we can read. We can see what they actually said and did at the time rather than what they later said.


460 posted on 04/24/2018 6:23:34 AM PDT by FLT-bird (..)
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To: FLT-bird
Theirs was revisionist history right from the start.

Yes, but I was unaware of this until about the last three years. I got a hint of it a little over a decade ago, but I didn't realize the truth of it until I began to notice things that didn't make any sense if you believed what we were told growing up.

We've been lied to about the Civil War for our whole lives.

Unfortunately for purveyors of this propaganda, we can read. We can see what they actually said and did at the time rather than what they later said.

But unfortunately you have to search out this information, and you have to look for it while being subjected to the gale force wins of revisionist propaganda, and "everybody knows the war was fought over slavery" ad populum fallacy.

The numbers tell the truth. The North deliberately provoked a war with the South because the South was going to take away most of their European trade, and thereby cause all sorts of financial stress in their wealthiest city.

The Empire of New York was behind this war because someone dared threaten their money stream.

461 posted on 04/24/2018 6:41:17 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: FLT-bird; DiogenesLamp; SoCal Pubbie; x; rockrr
FLT-bird to DiogenesLamp: "A cause they did not even discover they were actually fighting for until two years into the conflict.....
after being told this is what they were fighting for by Mill.....
despite the offer of slavery expressly protected by constitutional amendment that would still be irrevocable even today without the consent of the dlaveholding states and despite the nearly unanimous resolution passed by Congress declaring this is not what they were fighting for and despite Lincoln’s repeated denials that this is what they were fighting for."

In a nutshell:

  1. In 1860 Republicans were the party of abolitionists leading Southern Fire Eaters to threaten secession if Lincoln won election.

  2. He did and secessionists cited slavery as their number one reason, if not their only reason.

  3. Civil war started not over slavery but over Federal properties and restoring the Union.
    However, slavery quickly became important in the form of "contraband of war", who were freed and employed to support the Union war efforts.

  4. By war's end Lincoln's emancipation proclamation, plus 13th, 14th & 15th amendments made the consequence of Civil War exactly the thing 1860 Fire Eaters declared secession to prevent.

  5. Today's Lost Cause mythologizers just can't get over slavery, secession, rebellion, emancipation, abolition & full citizenship so they spend endless hours caterwauling cockamamie cognitive confusion about "power & money" over tariffs & "unfair spending".

591 posted on 04/28/2018 8:19:36 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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