[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "This is more of that nonsense thinking. A more accurate statement would be along the lines of 'Because we absolutely destroyed what would have been the Southern trade with Europe, and because we borrowed and spent our money into inflationary conditions and also stimulate a war demand economy while likewise killing off a chunk of our population, We got some numbers that look like the above.' "

Rubbish, total fantasy, not even loosely connected to facts.
Where do we even begin with this?
How about here -- as Texas Senator Louis Wigfall put it to William Russell of The Times of London (1861):

"We are an agricultural people; we a primitive but civilized people.
We have no cities-we don't want them.
We have no literature-we don't need any yet.
We have no press-we are glad of it.
We have no commercial marine-no navy-we don't want them.
Your ships carry our produce and you can protect your own vessels.
We want no manufactures; we desire no trading, no mechanical or manufacturing classes.
As long as we have our cotton, our rice, our sugar, our tobacco, we can command wealth to purchase all we want from these nations with which we are in amity."

Russell also wrote of his travels in the South:

"The tone in which [Southerners] alluded to the whole of the Northern people indicated the clear conviction that trade, commerce, the pursuit of gain, manufacture, and the base mechanical arts, had so degraded the whole race” that Southerners could no longer tolerate association with them...
"There is a degree of something like ferocity in the Southern mind [especially] toward New England which exceeds belief."
A South Carolinian told Russell:
'We are an agricultural people, pursuing our own system, and working out our own destiny, breeding up women and men with some other purpose than to make them vulgar, fanatical, cheating Yankees.' "

So now we see DiogenesLamp hoping to build up our "Southern gentlemen" into latent closet industrialists, manufacturing shipping & merchant titans-in-waiting, just chompin' at the bit & raring to go with Industrial Revolution the very moment they can knock the damnyankee monkey off their backs, right?

Total, complete fantasy.
Sure, Confederates in 1861 may have hated damnyankees, but none of them wanted to become one!

DiogenesLamp: "None of your crap numbers would have occurred if the South had established direct trade with Europe.
You keep acting as though your numbers were based on conditions pre war"

First, they're not my numbers, they come out of the same data set used to "prove" that "the South" somehow "paid for" 80% of 90% of Federal revenues.
I just looked at your numbers a little more closely.

Second, the issue here is pre-war Federal revenues, nothing to do with what mighta, coulda, woulda, maybe shoulda happened after Confederates declared war on the United States.
The question is: did "the South" really "pay for" 80% or 90% of Federal tariff revenues in, say, 1860??
The answer is: absolutely not, and your own numbers prove it.

In 1861 when Confederate exports were stripped out of US total exports, cotton did fall 80% but overall exports fell only 35% and many categories drastically increased, including such supposedly "Southern products" as hops (!) and clover seed (!!).
So the facts prove that alleged "Southern products" were not as important as some apologists like to pretend.

DiogenesLamp: "Yes, the no competition from the South numbers would have looked like that, once you added in the Lincoln caused inflation into the mix."

Totally irrelevant to the question, which is: how important to Federal revenues were "Southern products"?
Answer: not near as important as some like to pretend.

[FLT-bird]

Total, complete fantasy.
Sure, Confederates in 1861 may have hated damnyankees, but none of them wanted to become one!

Southerners very much did see by 1860-61 that industrialization was the way forward. They also saw that the existing structure in which they were being systematically bled dry to finance Northern industrialization would make their own development nearly impossible.

“Secession, southerners argued, would ‘liberate’ the South and produce the kind of balanced economy that was proving so successful in the North and so unachievable in the South.” (John A. Garraty and Robert McCaughey, The American Nation: A History of the United States to 1877, Volume One, Sixth Edition, New York: Harper & Row, Publishers, 1987, pp. 418-419, emphasis in original)

“The people of the Southern States, whose almost exclusive occupation was agriculture, early perceived a tendency in the Northern States to render the common government subservient to their own purposes by imposing burdens on commerce as a protection to their manufacturing and shipping interests. Long and angry controversies grew out of these attempts, often successful, to benefit one section of the country at the expense of the other. And the danger of disruption arising from this cause was enhanced by the fact that the Northern population was increasing, by immigration and other causes, in a greater ratio than the population of the South. By degrees, as the Northern States gained preponderance in the National Congress, self-interest taught their people to yield ready assent to any plausible advocacy of their right as a majority to govern the minority without control.” Jefferson Davis Address to the Confederate Congress April 29, 1861

“What do you propose, gentlemen of the free soil party? Do you propose to better the condition of the slave? Not at all. What then do you propose? You say you are opposed to the expansion of slavery. Is the slave to be benefited by it? Not at all. What then do you propose? It is not humanity that influences you in the position which you now occupy before the country. It is that you may have an opportunity of cheating us that you want to limit slave territory within circumscribed bounds. It is that you may have a majority in the Congress of the United States and convert the government into an engine of Northern aggrandizement. It is that your section may grow in power and prosperity upon treasures unjustly taken from the South, like the vampire bloated and gorged with the blood which it has secretly sucked from its victim. You desire to weaken the political power of the Southern states, - and why? Because you want, by an unjust system of legislation, to promote the industry of the New England States, at the expense of the people of the South and their industry.” Jefferson Davis 1860 speech in the US Senate

“Before... the revolution [the South] was the seat of wealth, as well as hospitality....Wealth has fled from the South, and settled in regions north of the Potomac: and this in the face of the fact, that the South, in four staples alone, has exported produce, since the Revolution, to the value of eight hundred millions of dollars; and the North has exported comparatively nothing. Such an export would indicate unparalleled wealth, but what is the fact? ... Under Federal legislation, the exports of the South have been the basis of the Federal revenue.....Virginia, the two Carolinas, and Georgia, may be said to defray three-fourths of the annual expense of supporting the Federal Government; and of this great sum, annually furnished by them, nothing or next to nothing is returned to them, in the shape of Government expenditures. That expenditure flows in an opposite direction - it flows northwardly, in one uniform, uninterrupted, and perennial stream. This is the reason why wealth disappears from the South and rises up in the North. Federal legislation does all this.” ——Missouri Senator Thomas Hart Benton

[To a Northern Congressman] “You are not content with the vast millions of tribute we pay you annually under the operation of our revenue laws, our navigation laws, your fishing bounties, and by making your people our manufacturers, our merchants, our shippers. You are not satisfied with the vast tribute we pay you to build up your great cities, your railroads, your canals. You are not satisfied with the millions of tribute we have been paying you on account of the balance of exchange, which you hold against us. You are not satisfied that we of the South are almost reduced to the condition of overseers of Northern Capitalist. You are not satisfied with all this; but you must wage a relentless crusade against our rights and our institutions.” Rep. John H. Reagan of Texas

“Northerners are the fount of most troubles in the new Union. Connecticut and Massachusetts exhaust our strength and substance and its inhabitants are marked by such a perversity of character they have divided themselves from the rest of America - Thomas Jefferson in an 1820 letter

“The north has adopted a system of revenue and disbursements, in which an undue proportion of the burden of taxation has been imposed on the South, and an undue proportion of its proceeds appropriated to the north ... The South as the great exporting portion of the Union has, in reality, paid vastly more than her due proportion of the revenue,” John C Calhoun Speech on the Slavery Question,” March 4, 1850