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To: Cboldt; grey_whiskers

I was pissed off that the bolt on rocket booster contract went to a company in Utah, Morton Thiokol, to please Senator Jake Garn of Utah.

I was arguing against the design LONG before the disaster because it meant that solid rocket boosters had to be segmented which meant they had to HAVE the joints and seals in the first place, a POINT OF FAILURE IF I EVER SAW ONE!

What really galled me was that the Utah company was not even the lowest qualified bidder, but one of the higher bidders! Not only that, the unassembled booster sections had to be shipped from Utah to Florida. . . WHICH WAS THE REASON FOR THE SEGMENTED DESIGN! They had to be loaded on railroad flat cars and they needed to be short enough to take the curves of the railroad without hanging over too far! Ergo, segmented design.

The best design was from a company IN FLORIDA that would make them full length, no segments, solid from one end to the other. . . no O ring seals. No O rings, no Columbia disaster. . . and their design was about 20% per booster CHEAPER! And they were located about 20 miles away from Canaveral and the boosters could be delivered by barge. WOW! What a brilliant design and solution. . . but their Senator was NOT Chairman of the Air and Space Committee...


1,228 posted on 03/06/2018 9:57:53 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)
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To: Swordmaker
No O rings, no Columbia disaster.

Wow. So corruption killed our Shuttle and astronauts. How disgusting. :(

1,231 posted on 03/06/2018 10:05:28 PM PST by bagster (Even bad men love their mamas.)
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To: Swordmaker

Yikes. Point most definitely taken.


1,234 posted on 03/06/2018 10:07:49 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Swordmaker

I never made the connection between senator Jake Garn and Morton Thiokol before. Interesting. By the way he was a passenger on the last shuttle flight before the Challenger disaster. It was during the previous November. I think maybe during thanksgiving weekend. It was a night launch and quite an amazing sight. I was an engineer for Martin Marietta now Lockheed Martin in Orlando and made the trip to the coast with some family members. The trail was visible until the narrator over the PA system said it was off the west coast of Portugal.


1,239 posted on 03/06/2018 10:17:15 PM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Swordmaker

OMG! What a waste! Those poor people never had a chance then. Gov’t sucks!


1,252 posted on 03/06/2018 10:29:33 PM PST by defconw (Because Americans are dreamers, too!)
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To: Swordmaker; ransomnote; MNDude; SkyPilot; Steven W.; bagster; greeneyes; HarleyLady27; generally; ..
Kobe Steel data scandal to delay restart of four nuclear reactors
Kobe Steel sent products with tampered data to second nuclear company
Kobe Steel Scandal Could Rattle US Nuclear Industry

This is a MAJOR scandal ... they also make parts for CENTRIFUGES (think Iran) and supply parts to subcontractors for numerous companies (including defense contractors i.e. Boeing)

1,253 posted on 03/06/2018 10:30:46 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: Cboldt; grey_whiskers
I was pissed off that the bolt on rocket booster contract went to a company in Utah, Morton Thiokol, to please Senator Jake Garn of Utah.

Damn auto correct... bolt = bid

How it got bolt out of bid I don't have a clue.

1,285 posted on 03/06/2018 11:41:01 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)
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Great story about the forced choice of contractor for the Shuttle SRB. Pentagon is rife with similar stories. Much corruption.


1,308 posted on 03/07/2018 2:46:27 AM PST by Cboldt
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