Posted on 02/07/2018 5:09:09 PM PST by Swordmaker
Rescuing someone from breaking through the pond ice or from a burning building makes "A" the savior of "B" and may be called so. No one assumes "B" suddenly replaces Jesus with "A" as their eternal savior.
Though I know of one man--or daughter, I forget--maybe it was in a Maya Angeleau book--The young teen was talking to their friend and mentioned "By the way..." The mother washed her mouth out with soap because THE WAY could only be used reverently about Jesus--in the mother's construction on reality.
I doubt the Chinese will handle them very gently.
“All the world’s a stage,” is a metaphor.
‘Jesus is our savior,’ is not a metaphor. Simply substituting a different name doesn’t create a metaphor; it merely changes the subject of the sentence.
To say that I’m astonished would be an understatement-——uncapitalized it’s just a WORD====and used often
Examples:
Recent Examples of savior from the Web
“Having played with everyone from the jazz legends Wayne Shorter and Herbie Hancock to the rapper Snoop Dogg, Washington has been dubbed something of a jazz savior, honoring traditional aspects of the genre while developing his own sound.”
marcus j. moore, The Atlantic, “The Nuanced Bluster of Kamasi Washington,” 5 Oct. 2017
“Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has gone from lame duck premier dogged by a party corruption scandal to the country’s unlikely savior.”
charles penty, Bloomberg.com, “Divided and Conquered”
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Are you suggesting I’ve actually heard Christians refer to fellow sinners as, “our savior,” but I’m lying about it? If not, then what *are* you suggesting?
Oh, I *vividly* recall the first time I heard Stephen King referred to as “god.” The person who made the reference wasn’t a Christian. I’ve never heard a Christian call Stephen King, ‘god.’
This is the first time I’ve heard honest statements referred to as tunnel vision.
Apples and oranges-—the word under discussion is “savior”,
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I never said, ‘No one has ever heard a Christian call a fellow human being their savior.’ I said ***I*** have never heard a Christian call a fellow human being/sinner their savior. That happens to be the truth.
I’m not disputing anyone else’s experiences. I’ve made reference only to my own. In a lifetime of being around Christians, I have never heard a single one of them call a fellow human being/sinner their savior. I just never have. If you are around Christians who call Trump their savior, then I wouldn’t know what to say. I would never call Trump my savior, for the simple reason that he’s not my savior.
You do NOT get to define or populate the dictionary for all Christians, however.
WHEN you appear to be insisting on defining, populating other Christians' dictionaries according to your sensibilities, criteria, boundaries--
you come across as
--prissy
--Pharisaical
--starchy
--narrow
--unreasonably and unnecessarily rigid
--stubborn
--lifeless
--dead works oriented
--petty
And at that point--it does not matter what your intentions; your criteria etc. are.
The perception of the above is in the eye of the beholder.
However, it does have implications for trying to share your Jesus--usually--the average pagan wants nothing to do with the Jesus offered by someone who comes across in those ways.
As Qx has said to me so many times:
God is Holy--
He's not prissy
His Biblical mentions of poop demonstrate that clearly enough.
I notice you never did reply to my query about DOING UNTO OTHERS on these threads.
Was trying to emphasize how crucial PERSPECTIVE is in such discussions. We tend to consider ourselves "steadfast" and the other person "stubborn."
Others see savior as a metaphor, you don't. Those are 2 different perspectives.
Guess what--you don't get to define, manage, rigidify, fossililze, order, etc. someone else's perspective. It is theirs and theirs alone.
I have shared my actual, real life experiences. If they fail to meet your standards, there’s nothing to be done. I can’t change my experiences, nor can I lie about them.
Post #376 - wow. Thank you for that update!
HONESTY has nothing to do with tunnel vision a lack of a tunnel vision.
Tunnel vision is an issue of perceptual scope.
And dozens of things influence perceptual scope.
e.g. growing up Amish or Mennonite ... or having a serious amount of RAD (Reactive Attachment Disorder) ... or having a very domineering, narrow, rigid parent ... or being unexposed to much philosophical or social variety ... etc. etc.
Tunnel vision also tends to be more common with folks who find security seriously limiting the options and variety they see in life--even at the foundational level of how they construe life.
Honesty has nothing to do with it. Extremely honest people have no or a lot of tunnel vision. Extremely dishonest people have no or a lot of tunnel vision.
Many people have tunnel vision about their pet hobby horses but not so much about other things.
Some people have tunnel vision about most things.
I knew that and did not imply or mean otherwise.
Unless I become a Q-believer, I will always be criticized and come up short. I get that. But if you plan to criticize me until I call Trump our savior, you can plan on doing A LOT of criticism. I will never call Trump my savior.
Please avoid putting your words into my fingers.
NO WHERE did I say anything about a need for you to change your history of experiences--even if it were possible.
NO WHERE did I say you needed to or had to fit my standards. Of course, Jesus' standards are the only ones of merit for both of us--or ought to be.
NO WHERE did I suggest, exhort or ask you to lie about your experiences.
Sheesh. Sigh. This got far too tedious a long time ago and I should do some other things. I bothered because I think of you as a sister in Christ worth the bother.
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