Will the Obama Birth Certificate Forgery Ever Be Probed by Federal Authorities?

The Post & Email ^ | 12/7/2017 | Sharon Rondeau

[Elderberry]

In an interview last Friday with “Freedom Friday” host Carl Gallups, Obama birth-certificate lead investigator Mike Zullo revealed for the first time that the “Deep State” prevented a federal investigation of his findings, compiled over a 5+-year period, that the “long-form” birth certificate image posted by the Obama White House in 2011 is a “computer-generated forgery.”

Virtually unknown in the United States prior to the election of Donald J. Trump last year, the term “Deep State” has now been invoked by some newscasters, journalists and commentators as well as by Trump himself through his Twitter account. Left-leaning news outlets reluctantly discussed it beginning in early March, after Trump claimed on Twitter that he and his campaign aides had been “wiretapped” during the final months of the presidential campaign.

On March 9, 2017, Politico Magazine declared, “The Deep State Is a Figment of Steve Bannon’s Imagination,” referring to then-White House Senior Adviser Steve Bannon, now Editor-in-Chief at Breitbart News.

The article begins, featuring a photo of Bannon:

Here’s a handy rule for assessing the credibility of what you’re reading about national security in the Trump era: If somebody uses the term “Deep State,” you can be pretty sure they have no idea what they’re talking about.

[Fantasywriter]

Are you drinking? The date on that article is 2009. The letter was taken down in 2011.

[Fantasywriter]

Smh, rolling my eyes. So you Obots have convinced yourselves that SA had to grab the baby and flee to Seattle to get away from O Sr.

I am so irked over the lack of rationality, it amazes me that I’m even responding.

There is no hint or clue anywhere, outside your imagination, that O Sr was a threat to SA. Yes, I know the idea is alive and well in your head. But that doesn’t make it real. If you imagined a purple unicorn, that wouldn’t be real either.

Fukino said the birth records are half handwritten. This harmonizes with the description of two other eyewitnesses. [Except that the other two left out the half typed part, and alluded only to the record being handwritten.] You, being a full throttle Obot, will skip over that part of what she said. You’ll simply erase it. But that won’t make it cease to exist.

[4Zoltan]

Do you understand that when you look at a certified copy of the long form birth certificate you only see part of the certificate? You do not see the medical information that is to the left of the demographic information shown on the certified copy.

Zoom in on the long form certificate’s left hand margin. You can see a printed “?” to the left of box 7d.

In 1955 Dr. Charles Bennett explained how birth certificates in Hawaii are filled out.

“A nurse or clerk in the hospital fills in the certificate form and gets the mother to sign it. Then the attending physician enters certain medical data and affixes his signature. Finally, the hospital sends the completed certificate to the local registrar.”

http://www.wnd.com/files/CHARLESBENNETT.pdf

So a nurse or clerk types up the certificate, the mother signs it and then the doctor adds the medical information and signs it. If the doctor handwrites the medical information part then a birth certificate would be roughly half written and half typed.

FYI: Dr. Charles Bennett was Hawaii’s Registrar General and his signature is on the Nordykes’ certified copies that were issued in 1966.

BTW, I never said Obama was a threat.

[4Zoltan]

Corsi apparently interviews Zullo for InfoWars. Lots of additional info. Looks like everything hangs on Montgomery’s credibility. That can’t be good.

https://www.infowars.com/bombshell-evidence-of-cia-role-in-forging-obamas-birth-certificate/#disqus_thread

[Natufian]

Okay, let's play it your way.

If a woman has a baby, where, as a general rule, would she and the baby first be seen? Somewhere in the vicinity of the birth, or 2,683 miles away?’

Firstly, we're talking about the first 4 weeks or so of an infants' life. Secondly, we're talking about a general rule which recognises that there can be exceptions. Thirdly, it's wrong to use the phrase "first be seen", we know that the first person to see the baby was the doctor or nurse who delivered them (BTW there is an account, albeit hearsay, from the medical staff who delivered BO II in Hawaii in Maraniss' book), better to say 'first documented account" of the mother and child. Finally, the use of the figure of 2.6k km is a bit of a red herring, it's a great distance but one that can be covered in 6 hours on a jet, maybe 10 (generously) in 1961 and no evidence has been presented to show that the rules in 1961 were any stricter than they are today.

Given the above and staying within the general rule parameter, I'd agree that these days the likelihood is that the first documented account would be extremely close to the place of birth, probably a photo from the delivery room or a social media post.

If we're talking about 1961, the issue is less clear cut. Almost 60 years ago, lives were much less densely recorded. It's not beyond the realm of possibility to have a 4 week gap in someone's life. So there's a chance you're right but it's not anywhere near conclusive, which means we have to look for other evidence to support your claim of SAD being missing from Hawaii during the entirety of her pregnancy and that she gave birth in Seattle/Vancouver.

Against that hypothesis we have multiple and documented evidence of a marriage in Hawaii in February and a birth in Hawaii in August.

Now all we need is the evidence you have that SAD was in Seattle/Vancouver for the 10 months prior to September 1961. What have you got?

[4Zoltan]

“I'd agree that these days the likelihood is that the first documented account would be extremely close to the place of birth, probably a photo from the delivery room or a social media post.”

The first documented account is close to the place of birth.

Stig Waidelich was born on August 5, 1961 in the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, where President Obama says he was born. Monika Danielson is Stig’s mother and she has vivid memories from the hospital after Stig was born. Monika told CNN that she remembers visiting the nursery after Stig’s birth and seeing a lot of Asian babies, one white baby which was her son, and one black baby.

Because Monika is from Sweden, she told CNN that she had not seen many black children or babies before, which was why she particularly remembers seeing this black baby in the nursery. When President Obama became a candidate in 2008, Monika noticed his birth date and hospital in an article and remembered that day in the nursery.

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/26/cnn-birther-investigation-no-doubt-president-obama-was-born-in-hawaii/

To backup her claim of few African-American births in Hawaii in 1961. There this table from 1961 of births by race of father and mother. Notice there is no category for Negro.

[Fantasywriter]

Come on. You know yourself how Abercrombie described what he saw in Obama’s file. He was not as diplomatic as Fukino. He swore there was something in Obama’s file, written down. If you wish to read his exact quote, it’s readily available. And if necessary, I can look up the third party that viewed Obama’s file firsthand and described the contents as “handwritten.”

All this, of course, preceded the fabricated LFBC. After that, no one referred to the item in Obama’s file as “handwritten.” They didn’t call it a notation either. After that it was simply a BC.

[Fantasywriter]

What I have is probability. Let’s say we accept your claim of a February wedding. [It is not as clear cut, btw, as you claim. Maraniss tracked down multiple people who knew O Sr in Honolulu. Not a single one of them was even aware that O *knew* SA, much less that they had any kind of relationship. No one knew anything about SA having his baby. The records that Sally Jacobs obtained via a FOIA request confirmed what Maraniss independently discovered; the two never lived together. Against all that you have a notation plus a judge saying he was convinced it had happened. No mention at any time by anyone of a marriage certificate. Just a notation plus a judge’s comment that would have been unnecessary had a marriage certificate been presented.] That still gives you a 6 mo gap. If people tended to be less noticed in ‘61, then why did people come out of the woodwork in Seattle to talk about SA and her newborn? Cindy Pratt, who lived with SA’s parents, not only confirmed that SA wasn’t living there during the pregnancy; CP didn’t see the baby until SA returned from Seattle.

To understand what happened requires adding up all the circumstances. 1, the address listed on both the fabricated birth certificate and the birth announcements is one where SA and the baby NEVER lived, 2, Abercrombie went looking for the BC and all he found was something written down, 3, Obama’s SS# previously belonged to someone else, and the skip tracer who confirmed this was handcuffed and deprived of his computer/livelihood, despite the fact that he was never even *accused* of wrongdoing, 4, Obama’s draft card is indisputably forged, 5, a senior HI elections clerk swore that Obama’s lack of a BC was an open secret, 6, Brian Schatz, former HI DNC chairman, refused to certify Obama as eligible, 7, Kapiolani only displayed a letter claiming Obama was born there until they were informed that fundraising off that letter, unless it was true, constituted fraud, 8, there is no evidence that SA would have been allowed to take a newborn on a 2,683 mile flight in ‘61, 9, there is no credible, evidence and/or fact based explanation for such a trek, 10, there is no credible reason why no one would have seen SA in HI during the [at least] 6-mo black-out or after the birth, while so many people reported seeing her in Seattle, 11, there is no credible explanation for Obama’s own literary agent being unaware of his HI birth, IF it was a fact, 12, O Sr said the baby would be adopted via a Salvation Army home for unwed mothers. If SA went to the one in Honolulu, there would have been every reason to stay in HI. If, however, she went to the one closest to her Aunt, she would have turned up afterward in the vicinity of Vancouver—which is what in fact happened. One location fits every known fact, and the other fits none.

I could go on. But the point is that all the information has to be taken together. There are not this many issues with a person who had a simple, straightforward hospital birth. Nor does one who was born in Kapiolani initially claim to have been born at Queen’s [see my prior post]. Only an Obot could take all the evidence and conclude this was merely a whole bunch of ‘coincidences.’ No one has this many. The probability of so many anomalies converging on a person who had a normal, regular US citizen hospital birth is so close to zero as to be indistinguishable.

[4Zoltan]

It was Fukino who said it was half written/half typed. She would have been viewing the entire birth certificate not just the parts given to the parents in a certified copy.

“She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files.”

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/t/ex-hawaii-official-denounces-ludicrous-birther-claims/#.WjFevt9KuM8

Her description would match an entire birth certificate that was typed by the nurse/clerk and handwritten by the doctor.

As to what Abercrombie said - here it is -

“It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down …”

The archives is not the Department of Health. It is a separate entity. It does not contain birth records. Here is their website:

http://ags.hawaii.gov/archives/

Considering that Abercrombie said he would not ask Obama for permission to release the birth certificate (even the governor of the state can not go and look at the birth records) and only do what was “legally possible”, what is written in the state archives is still a mystery. Doctor Sinclair’s notes? Dr. West’s journals?

We don’t know but it would not be a birth certificate.

[4Zoltan]

"Just a notation plus a judge’s comment that would have been unnecessary had a marriage certificate been presented."

Actually there is:

1) Hawaii DOH index data for marriages.

2) April, 1961 memo by Lyle H. Dahling reporting Ms. McCabe's statement about the February 2nd 1961 Maui wedding.

3) Stanley Ann's divorce petition

4) Judge King's statement on the decree.

Your claim about the judge's statement is nonsense based on ignorance. Even in the Lolo Soetoro divorce decree, the judge said he was granting the decree based on the evidence. Judge King is saying the same thing.

[Natufian]

So you’ve got no evidence whatsoever that SAD was in Seattle/Vancouver for the months leading up to the birth? I can see a lot of stuff about your doubts about the evidence she was in Hawaii and I can see some unsupported assertions about the WA/Canada hypothesis but no supporting evidence at all. No documentation, no witness testimony, nada. Am I wrong?

[Natufian]

Thanks. That’s what I mean by evidence.

[Fantasywriter]

I said no one ever alluded to a marriage certificate. If that was an ignorant statement, then link to somebody mentioning that document.

[Hepsabeth]

...it is not possible to be anything else.

This is not necessarily true. It is entirely possible to be born of two US citizens and also to hold foreign citizenship. My husband is a naturalized US citizen. He remains a citizen of the UK where he was born, because the UK does not recognize the renunciation that is done during the naturalization ceremony.

So, my daughter was born in the US of two US citizens. She is also a citizen of the UK from birth and she holds two passports. Is she eligible to be President? What do you think?

[Mr. Jeeves]

No Deep State Puppet may be questioned by mere serfs. Obama, Hillary, GWB, and Jeb all have “corruptomatic immunity.” :)

[Fantasywriter]

Statistically speaking, no one person could have so many issues for a normal, straightforward hospital birth. The average person has zero anomalies. I had to pick and choose for my list, but Obama has even more than I ended up mentioning. If you are an Obot, you will not be able to detect a pattern or weigh the cumulative evidence. Anyone else possessed of average intelligence would have no difficulty in doing so.

Of course it’s a fact that not everyone understands statistical probability. I had the extraordinary privilege of auditing Gian-Carlo Rota’s course on probability at MIT, coupled with the guidance of a gifted associate who was able to translate it for me. I can tell you that one anomaly for a person with a normal US hospital birth would be odd but not statistically relevant. Two would be very strange. When you get to three you’re into a pattern. Twelve-plus is simply not something that spontaneously happens in real life. Statistically speaking that would make a three sigma event appear commonplace.

Again though, I stress: none of this will register for an Obot. They have trained themselves to turn off the critical-rational thought process when it comes to anything that challenges Obama’s nativity tale. They are unable to evaluate facts pertinent to this issue, and are unaware of this inability. I’ve never encountered an Obot with whom it was otherwise. It most likely devolves from blind support for a pathological liar. No one can engage in that kind of activity long term and expect to suffer no deleterious side effects.

[Lurkinanloomin]

No, not eligible.
One can only naturally be an American when they can’t be anything else.

[4Zoltan]

From the InfoWars article:

Other data indicates the CIA also breached the University of Hawaii’s extensive records on Hawaii history and genealogy.

The IP addresses, both from the Hawaii government offices breached and from the CIA proxy IP addresses used in the breaches.

“Montgomery also traced the IP data paths of the breached servers and discovered on a number of occasions information was sent from the breached Hawaii computers, only to be routed to a sever located in Jakarta, Indonesia,” Zullo said."

All based on claims by Dennis Montgomery.

I checked my computer and found it had been hacked by the DoD. I traced the IP data paths and found that data was sent to the Hawaii state government using University of Hawaii servers (62.221.244.0) then to Jakarta, Indonesia (36.69.67.56) routed then through the U.K. Ministry of Defence (25.165.25.241) and onto the DoD (140.70.0.0). Of course I'm very concerned about this.

[4Zoltan]

Fanasywriter (was there ever a more appropriate name) made this claim in post #99.

"Sally Jacobs, via a FOIA request, obtained a document in which Obama Sr says the baby will likely be put up for adoption at the Salvation Army home for unwed mothers. There is not and has never been such an establishment in HI, but Seattle is only a stone’s throw from the Salvation Army home for unwed mothers in Vancouver."

It took me less than five minutes to find that in fact Honolulu had a Salvation Army Home for unwed mothers (it's listed on their website) and another ten minutes to document that they operated it until the 1960s.

I posted that info in comment #104.

[Fantasywriter]

It’s beginning to look as if you will have this momentous event engraved on your tombstone. It’s pathetic to see how much it means to you. You have posted at least one snotty false claim on this thread, and it would not occur to me to ping others so that I could pretend it was a monumental occurrence. In your case, perhaps it’s merely an outgrowth of that crippling illness known as Obotism.