Apple releases iOS 11.2 with Apple Pay Cash

Question... where does money sent - via Apple Pay Cash - get deposited? Into a bank account?? On to the recipients credit card??

It can be held in ApplePay, spent immediately in a store, online, or transferred to a credit card or into a bank account. Your choice. Here is a page on ApplePay Cash from Apple:

Send, receive, and request money with Apple Pay

21 posted on 12/02/2017 7:18:06 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)

And the iPhone keyboard sucks once again, as they’ve removed the left-right cursor keys and punctuation keys from the main view.

22 posted on 12/02/2017 7:21:47 PM PST by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)

You don’t have to become an ass just because you’ve reached old age.

Geez!

23 posted on 12/02/2017 7:23:36 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)

24 posted on 12/02/2017 7:24:59 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)

You don’t have to become an ass just because you’ve reached old age.

You must be thinking about Swordmaker.

Besides, from the kind of thinking you demonstrated, it would seem like you're the oldest person in this discussion.

25 posted on 12/02/2017 7:30:34 PM PST by adorno

To: adorno; Swordmaker

You forgot your FR courtesy ping, Mr Alinsky.

26 posted on 12/02/2017 7:35:13 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)

Alinsky?

Oh, you're getting cute.

Ans so original.

Whatsamatta? Can't thing of anything useful to contribute and to counter my arguments with?

It is said that...

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

Or...

"It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt."

27 posted on 12/02/2017 8:09:04 PM PST by adorno

LOL..you just dosed yourself with your own medicine.

Too funneh.

(Hint...better remain silent.)

Take care.

28 posted on 12/02/2017 8:10:59 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)

To: adorno; Jane Long

Google and its Android OEMs, are a few years ahead of Apple in hardware features.

Right, sure. Wrong world, adorno. What hardware features are those you claim the Android OEMs, by which you apparently imply is all of them, are ahead of Apple? Let's look at HARDWARE,adorno. . . it's not even close:

And the above Geekbench benchmarks are not even using the Neural Engine built into every iPhone 8, 8 plus, and X that can perform 600 BILLION calculations per second. Nor does any Android device have any built in SECURITY that is anywhere near what is built into every Apple device. . . nor do they have end-to-end hardware encryption to 256 bit AES encryption. No, adorno, they rely on third-party APPs to provide that and, as such, by definition, it cannot be end-to-end encryption, so also by definition, it is less secure, if used at all.

Let's discuss the facial recognition unlocking system that Android devices had prior to Apple's 3D FaceID. Apple's is secure to a one in one million and cannot be unlocked by any use of photographs, masks, 3D imaging, sculptures, etc. Android's could be easily fooled and unlocked with a mere photograph. It was finally admitted to be a mere unlocking "convenience" and not a secure means of protecting a user's data, only to be used in conjunction with some other security system. How is comparing a flakey non-secure system that merely preceded an actual truly secure FaceID unlocking system as being leading Apple? Apple doesn't release something until it is working.

Similarly, Apple's TouchID, so-called fingerprint sensor unlocking did follow Android's actual fingerprint unlocking which, again, was flakey and could be fooled with photos of fingerprints, failed frequently to unlock with the real fingers of users, or could be unlocked with non-authorized fingers. Apple's did not actually use fingerprints but instead sensed the underlying ridges and valleys of the living fat pads underneath the real user's fingertips, sensing something that could not be lifted from a mere fingerprint image and WORKED. . . and could not be mistaken for some stranger's finger pads. It had a one in 50,000 security rating and is STILL far better than the one's being used on Android phones today due to patented technology.

So, let's look at the screen on the iPhone X.

DisplayMate, the organization that rates cellular and tablet screens just rated the iPhone X's screen as the BEST screen they have ever rated. . . bar none.

"The Best Smartphone Display
The iPhone X delivers uniformly consistent all around Top Tier display performance and receives All Green (Very Good to Excellent) Ratings in all of the DisplayMate Lab test and measurement Categories (except for a single Yellow in Brightness Variation with Average Picture Level that applies to all OLED displays). See the Display Shoot-Out Comparison Table below for all of the measurements and details, and the Highlights and Performance Results section above for expanded discussions and explanations, and the Display Assessments section for the evaluation details.
Based on our extensive lab tests and measurements the iPhone X becomes the Best Performing Smartphone Display that we have ever tested, earning DisplayMate’s highest ever A+ grade. The iPhone X is an impressive display with close to Text Book Perfect Calibration and Performance!!

So, Jane, adorno is just blowing smoke in your face and lying through his teeth about Google and Android phone OEMs being years ahead of Apple in hardware AND software features. In fact, they are making iPhone wanna-be phones that people who want to settle for second and third or less best are willing to accept because they can't afford the best.

They've convinced themselves they can see improvements in Android screen quality that physicists and opticians tell us the human eye is biologically and physically incapable of discerning because their Android marketing departments tell them more pixels than they can ever see are somehow better, even though that many pixels actually slow down their phone's performance and drain their batteries faster. . . and then insist the greater number of pixels is a huge improvement. They breathlessly announce that Android phone X has a Blood Oximeter Sensor mounted on the back. . . a flakey, useless and uncertified sensor that no one can find a use for, but it's there, along with more battery draining gadgets, piled on without thought as to usefulness or workability, and claim hardware improvement and superiority.

Who cares that you have an Electron Microscope or a Radio Telescope feature built into your Android Phone? WHO NEEDS IT? WILL it be used?

Utility of the overall device is what counts. Just because a function might be useful to TEN or a HUNDRED users is no reason to include it in a device that TEN MILLION or a HUNDRED MILLION users will buy. They do not need to pay for the convenience of the ten or one hundred. . . or to expect them to put up with the resource degradation and battery drain to support that excess hardware for features they will never use.

Steve Jobs once said that "Perfection is found not in what you add, but in what you remove."

Android programers and OEMs have never learned that lesson.

29 posted on 12/02/2017 8:11:55 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)

LOL..you just dosed yourself with your own medicine.

Too funneh.

(Hint...better remain silent.)

Take care.

There you go again, not knowing when people are addressing their remarks to you. You need a lot of training in common sense. Ever heard of it?

30 posted on 12/02/2017 8:14:02 PM PST by adorno

Crashed both my iPhone and iPad.

Both kept shutting down every 3-4 seconds !

This update? Strange. I just updated two iPhones, an X and an iPhone 7 plus, and two iPads, an original Pro and a new iPad. Both worked fine with no problems. What models did you update?

31 posted on 12/02/2017 8:15:02 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)

Three you go again with “performance benchmarks”

The question was about “features” and who comes out with them first.

I must admit that Apple will take something from the other smartphone makers, and tweak it to make it perform a bit better, and then claim that their features are original and better.

GET IT??? It’s about being a copycat. Performance? Irrelevant, especially when most, if not all users, won’t notice the difference in speeds or performance.

Next iPhone iteration will feature “wireless charging”, which Apple will claim is a new feature to smartphones.

32 posted on 12/02/2017 8:22:02 PM PST by adorno

And the iPhone keyboard sucks once again, as they’ve removed the left-right cursor keys and punctuation keys from the main view.

What cursor keys? There weren't any cursor keys on an iPhone. It's a touch screen device. The few punctuation keys are gone. They are on the number screen.

33 posted on 12/02/2017 8:42:17 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)

To: Jane Long; adorno

You forgot your FR courtesy ping, Mr Alinsky.

No, adorno is just being rude. . . and an asshat. He's a well know anti-Apple Hate Brigade member doing what they do; insult Apple users in an attempt to destroy the thread by making participation unpalatable by treating participants nastily. He's acting true to form, slinging feces left and right like a spoiled brat snowflake Liberal.

34 posted on 12/02/2017 8:45:13 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)

To: adorno; Jane Long

Next iPhone iteration will feature “wireless charging”, which Apple will claim is a new feature to smartphones.

WOW! Your abysmal ignorance of iPhones and Apple's devices is showing in everything you post, adorno. The iPhones already have wireless charging.

Only you Apple Hate Brigade Members make such claims as "Apple claims is a new feature to smartphones." You exaggerate every claim Apple makes in your delusions.

35 posted on 12/02/2017 8:51:49 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)

LOL....his true color was exposed, instantly.

We need a large can of Troll B Gone, on this thread, for adontno.

36 posted on 12/02/2017 8:54:36 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)

IPhones use TouchID or FaceID for ApplePay transactions. They are both secure from hacking.

Unnnnhhh. No. Both have been proven spoofable. But they are pretty much, good enough.

37 posted on 12/02/2017 9:05:50 PM PST by glorgau

Thanks for checking out.

I am not alone with this problem, it’s been going on for three months.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8079251?start=195&tstart=0

38 posted on 12/02/2017 9:07:41 PM PST by cicero2k

To: adorno; Jane Long

Next iPhone iteration will feature “wireless charging”, which Apple will claim is a new feature to smartphones.

With that idiotic comment, you demonstrated that you are commenting in this thread without even reading the original article the this thread is all about. You didn't, did you? Howdy I know? Because the very first item the update lists is this:

• Adds support for faster wireless charging on iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X with compatible third-party accessories

Makes it kind of obvious you didn't read it, doesn't it?

That means you just saw this was a thread on Apple and you came in and started slinging mud all over the place and insulting participants you know nothing about.

WILLFUL IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY DON'T BECOME YOU, adorno.

Now, by insulting Jane, someone who never attacked or insulted you, you've succeed in joining the dancing, trolling fools club:

I suggest you step away from the booze and come back when you are sober.

39 posted on 12/02/2017 9:12:52 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)

hh. No. Both have been proven spoofable. But they are pretty much, good enough.

Do a Google search for such spoofs. The only supposedly successful ones are highly questionable. There's the Bkav mask from Vietnam and the woman and her pre-teen son for FaceID. TouchID are all old from 2013 and replications of the original 2013/2014 on older iPhones.

That mask thing Bkav the Vietnamese "Security company" pulled was a hoax. . . Bkav actually is an ANDROID CELL PHONE company that is selling a fingerprint protected Android phone they were claiming was more secure than Apple's FaceID—not the Computer Security Company they claim they are—so they cobbled together a joke of a mask using a 3D"silicone" printed mask, as if that were something special, and then adding a hand made nose, because the 3D printed one was not accurate enough, and an "artists" applied skin texture, that they claimed fooled FaceID plus printed 2D eyes. They then announced their Bkav Bphone was far more secure than the trivially easy to fool FaceID. . . but to date have refused to specify exactly how they make their masks that will work.

However, the video Bkav showed did not unlock the way my iPhone X unlocks, or any iPhone X unlocks for that matter. . . theirs opened immediately to the home screen instead of to the alert screen that is expected to be swiped up. Nor did the lock icon animate to unlock. It stayed locked. In fact, it opens to the Enter PassCode LOCK SCREEN, even though they stated they had NOT entered a passcode (an impossibility when you set up faceID) and which you would NOT see unless you HAD entered a passcode, which they they just swipe up. . . revealing the home screen. . . which is what you'd see if you just swiped a photo of the Enter PassCode screen off the screen to reveal the home screen behind it.

The best Hollywood mask makers, building completely identical masks of the iPhone FaceID users, indistinguishable from the real people's faces, with laser measurements to assure accuracy, with their REAL EYES looking through them, could not unlock it. And these were ALSO made using "silicone" materials, yet these Vietnamese amateurs could in less than a week? Nope, they didn't. Even the Mask 2.0 from November 27, using a new 2D printed eyes with attention turned on is STILL a hoax to sell their Bkav fingerprint sensor Bphones.

The original "Starbug" spoofing of the TouchID was a guy using his OWN finger inside the rubber copy of his fingerprint. . . and the sensor read his subcutaneous fat pads THROUGH the fingerprint image on one out of five attempts. When his buddy put the rubber finger on his finger, it would not work at all.

Most of the other articles on spoofing fingerprint sensors are talking about Android phones. They were NEVER really reliably successful on iPhones or the FBI would not have had a problem unlocking the several thousand iPhones they have they need to unlock when they first got them. These supposedly simple TouchID hacks just don't work before an iOS device would have permanently locked if the owner had not been available to unlock it and reset the attempts. None have been spoofed by copying a fingerprint taken from any surface contact print (although one "researcher claimed to have done it, but no one was able to replicate his results.). One partial success used a system that cost almost a thousand dollars per finger model to make. . . but took longer to make the finger (AND required the user's original finger to scan) than the now less than over night time allowed before requiring a passcode to unlock.

40 posted on 12/02/2017 10:30:39 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)

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