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This Day in History: The origins of the Battle Hymn of the Republic
TaraRoss.com ^ | November 18, 2017 | Tara Ross

Posted on 11/18/2017 6:36:43 AM PST by iowamark

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To: DiogenesLamp
One can only conclude that you don't want to learn.

Not much to be learned from you.

341 posted on 11/30/2017 8:15:11 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp
And yet you still keep doing it (ignoring facts) despite my good example of objectivity.

Oh, and please tell us again why not a single one of Taney's biographers include anything about an arrest warrant. It just get funnier and funnier with each telling.

342 posted on 11/30/2017 8:34:42 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: jeffersondem; DiogenesLamp; DoodleDawg; rockrr
Here is a discussion of the term "domestic insurrection" which does not mention any slave-revolt type events in 1776.

The 1807 US Insurrection Act mentions as if synonyms:

So we see there how such words were used in those days.
My basic argument here is:

In Jefferson's words, Dunmore's "to bear arms" became "to rise in arms" the words used in Jefferson's famous deleted paragraph, whose chief point is to blame the King for imposing slavery on Americans.
Jefferson nowhere intends to imply that the US Revolution is for the purpose of defending slavery, only to complain that Brits used slaves against patriots.
343 posted on 11/30/2017 8:45:14 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: DoodleDawg
Not much to be learned from you.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

344 posted on 11/30/2017 9:43:05 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg
Oh, and please tell us again why not a single one of Taney's biographers include anything about an arrest warrant

How many Kennedy Biographers mentioned what an utter piece of sh*t he was?

Lincoln is idolized in certain circles. The same forbearance regarding objectively ugly truths hold sway.

345 posted on 11/30/2017 9:45:49 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: BroJoeK
“Here is a discussion of the term “domestic insurrection” which does not mention any slave-revolt type events in 1776.”

But the 2003 article does discuss anti-abortion violence in the context of “domestic insurrection.” I offer, without proof, that anti-abortion violence was not what Jefferson meant by the term “domestic violence.” And Jefferson was not referencing the Detroit Sitdown Strike of 1936 either.

Sadly, I predicted just such a result in my humorous post 325 when I invited a search of the internet. Read again, for the first time, what I wrote:

“Yes, I know that recommending an internet search is dangerous. And, yes, I will wager the value of a medium-priced homosexual cupcake that you will find a college student, or maybe a professor, that will claim the term “domestic insurrection” refers to the practice of women burning braziers. But that is not factual.”

Again, please post any sources you have that support your claim that Jefferson's reference to “domestic insurrection” in the DOI refers to loyalists or Indians.

346 posted on 11/30/2017 10:00:45 AM PST by jeffersondem
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To: DiogenesLamp
So it's not the weight of the evidence but the seriousness of the crime? How very progressive of you.
347 posted on 11/30/2017 10:03:59 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
So it's not the weight of the evidence but the seriousness of the crime?

The weight of the evidence indicates Lincoln did indeed issue an arrest warrant for Taney. Lincolns own friend and bodyguard made the accusation, and based on the legal principle of "statement against interest", it should be accepted as accurate.

348 posted on 11/30/2017 10:35:42 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
How many Kennedy Biographers mentioned what an utter piece of sh*t he was?

So you're saying that none of the Taney biographers mentioned the arrest warrant because they thought it might make Taney look bad? Really? How did it make him look bad?

Lincoln is idolized in certain circles. The same forbearance regarding objectively ugly truths hold sway.

And you might have a point, however small, if we were dealing with biographies of Lincoln. But I'm talking about men who wrote very learned and well researched biographies on Roger Brooke Taney. The 11th Attorney General of the United states. The 12th Secretary of the Treasury. The 5th Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. And in none of those biographies did any of them talk about an arrest warrant on Taney. Why not?

349 posted on 11/30/2017 10:44:26 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

When it comes to knowledge you are the Sahara desert.

350 posted on 11/30/2017 10:47:00 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
So you're saying that none of the Taney biographers mentioned the arrest warrant because they thought it might make Taney look bad? Really? How did it make him look bad?

The person being protected here is Lincoln. Nobody in the Scholarly community wants to say anything bad about Lincoln, and if any Taney biographer mentioned it, they would be castigated by everyone in their social peer group.

Of course they aren't going to mention it. It is a smoking gun that Lincoln was a tyrant.

351 posted on 11/30/2017 10:55:09 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
The person being protected here is Lincoln.

None of the biographers I've read - James F. Simon, Bernard Steiner, and Walker Lewis - wrote a biography on Lincoln as well. So what motivation would they have to protect him at the expense of not accurately detailing the life of the central figure in their own books?

Nobody in the Scholarly community wants to say anything bad about Lincoln, and if any Taney biographer mentioned it, they would be castigated by everyone in their social peer group.

Do you honest not realize just how stupid that sounds? What's next? Lincoln really was gay but it's being suppressed because any biographer mentioning it would be raked over the coals? Lincoln really was Jewish but any biographer mentioning it would be tarred and feathered and drummed out of the Official Biographers Guild?

What you are suggesting is completely irrational. Oh wait...

352 posted on 11/30/2017 11:14:39 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

At least he tipped his hand on why he thinks the absurd is plausible...


353 posted on 11/30/2017 11:23:58 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
At least he tipped his hand on why he thinks the absurd is plausible...

Mr. "The Truth Is Out There"?

354 posted on 11/30/2017 11:26:31 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Yea - “It can’t be a conspiracy theory if only I believe it!” himself


355 posted on 11/30/2017 11:38:10 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: jeffersondem
jeffersondem: "I offer, without proof, that anti-abortion violence was not what Jefferson meant by the term “domestic violence.”
And Jefferson was not referencing the Detroit Sitdown Strike of 1936 either."

Nor, just as obviously, did Jefferson refer to non-existent slave revolts.
My entire argument is that Jefferson must be referencing events actually happening in 1776, such as loyalists "domestic violence" against local patriot governments, but not referencing non-existent slave revolts.

And this is hard for you to accept because?

356 posted on 11/30/2017 2:09:55 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
“My entire argument is that Jefferson must be referencing events actually happening in 1776, such as loyalists “domestic violence” against local patriot governments, but not referencing non-existent slave revolts.”

You now want to move the goal post to “domestic violence?”

Please post any sources you have that support your earlier claim that Jefferson's reference to “domestic insurrection” in the DOI refers to loyalists or Indians.

357 posted on 11/30/2017 2:54:10 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: BroJoeK; DiogenesLamp; DoodleDawg; rockrr
“”Domestic insurrections” refers to actual insurrections of British loyalists against local patriots in Virginia & elsewhere in the months before July, 1776.”

Why does the mention of “Domestic insurrections” mean it is limited to the months before July, 1776?

This sounds like an arbitrary time frame of your invention, not Jefferson's or the signers of the DOI.

Jefferson wrote in the DOI of “a long Train of Abuses.” Jefferson said the king “has refused for a long Time” to cause others . . .

Jefferson said “Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury.” This sounds like long-term grievances, not something that was limited to months before July, 1776.

We know the hated Stamp Act was passed in 1765. And the hated Tea Act in 1773.

What is your purpose in trying to limit the scope of grievances to just a few months in 1776? And how is it justified?

358 posted on 11/30/2017 3:37:07 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: rockrr
“On a thread several months ago one of the lost causers was straining to present some sort of tu quoque and stumbled over the established practice of using some slave labor in the building (or in this case rebuilding) the capitol building. by established I mean the practice had been going on since before the commissioning of Washington DC - certainly far before the Lincoln administration.
With larger and more pressing matters on his plate I doubt that Lincoln was even aware of their presence.”

It looks like your tacit acknowledgment that Lincoln did, in fact, use slave labor to help build the Capitol has settled her hash.

I wasn't even going to bring it up until she mentioned it.

359 posted on 11/30/2017 4:04:05 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem

Read it again - for the first time. I seriously doubt that Lincoln was even aware of their employment.


360 posted on 11/30/2017 7:30:36 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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