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No, Trump did not cave
http://donsurber.blogspot.com/ ^ | 9/14/17 | Don Surber

Posted on 09/15/2017 8:43:16 AM PDT by V K Lee

UPDATE: From the Daily Caller just now: "House Agrees To $1.6 Billion For Border Wall."

ORIGINAL POST: The media crashed and burned last night over a Democratic Party lie about a deal on amnesty for some illegal aliens.

After a dinner with the president, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer said, “We agreed to enshrine the protections of DACA into law quickly, and to work out a package of border security, excluding the wall, that’s acceptable to both sides.”

There is no deal. The president said so this morning. Pelosi and Schumer jumped the gun because they hope to gain leverage in a situation in which the president holds the trump card.

Everybody who panicked about this Fake News was a fool. That includes Representative Steve King, a Republican from Iowa, whom I like.

A lie travels around the world before the truth puts its shoes on.

People who railed against President Trump for "caving" made two mistakes.

They believed Pelosi and Schumer. They believed the media.

Me? I trusted President Trump.

I read their statement and knew it was a lie, or to be kind, an embroidery of the truth.

The reason tip-off were the words, "excluding the wall."

Of course the wall was excluded.

It's off the table.

President Trump has authorization for it. A 2006 law made it so. He is not going to relinquish that authority.

But there is no Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals law. It does not exist. DACA is an executive order, at best a blanket use of prosecutorial discretion.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions called it as unconstitutional.

Trump let the Pelosi-Schumer lie slide until this morning. He literally lost no sleep over it because their lie helps him in negotiations, and that is what they are doing: negotiating.

The only agreement they came to was what to talk about.

He made it plain to them that the wall is not negotiable.

Today, he tweeted:

"No deal was made last night on DACA. Massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. Would be subject to vote. The WALL, which is already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls, will continue to be built."

Got that? The wall is off the table.

Pelosi and Schumer's bargaining position is weak. They are in the minority.

But they do have a position, and they seem to be surrogates for Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Either man could stop a floor vote on any agreement

They won't.

This is a do-nothing Congress. Donald Trump's is a very active presidency. Contrast and compare. Congress needs leadership. Trump will provide it.

Meanwhile, anyone who said he caved on the wall is a fool.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: daca; immigration; nohedidnt; ohnohedidnt; ohyeshedid; ryan; trump; wall; yeshedid
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To: V K Lee

“You knew I was a snake before you took me in.”

Pres Trump - don’t take in any Democrat snakes.


21 posted on 09/15/2017 9:14:20 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (Hillary Clinton: the official candidate of the National Sleep Foundation)
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To: V K Lee

When you have dinner with UpChuck Smuck and Nazi Peelousy you can expect to have steak knives stabbed in your back and be assured they will smile while stabbing you.

On the other hand the so called republican leaders will do the same the only difference is they will be grinning.

Mr President I believe the only alliance you need is We The People, they pretend differently but ultimately and by design they fear us, the course you laid out was right, good and strong stay that course.


22 posted on 09/15/2017 9:16:45 AM PDT by PoloSec (polosec)
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To: PoloSec

“When you have dinner with UpChuck Smuck and Nazi Peelousy you can expect to have steak knives stabbed in your back and be assured they will smile while stabbing you.”

And.. they are just as bad as the msm.

They will lie and create #FAKENEWS about what was said and agreed.


23 posted on 09/15/2017 9:20:28 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: caligatrux

Letting them stay is amnesty.
Rewarding illegal aliens by allowing them to stay gets us more illegal aliens.
The 1986 amnesty was sold as being less than a million, that turned into 3.5 million.
Now we have 10 times that number of illegal aliens.
The 11 million they have been using for 15 years is more like 30 million +


24 posted on 09/15/2017 9:21:28 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: V K Lee

The article says:

People who railed against President Trump for “caving” made two mistakes.

1.They believed Pelosi and Schumer.
2.They believed the media.

Me? I trusted President Trump.

I read their statement and knew it was a lie, or to be kind, an embroidery of the truth.


25 posted on 09/15/2017 9:21:45 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: TheStickman

pay attention

“Congress now has 6 months to legalize DACA (something the Obama Administration was unable to do). If they can’t, I will revisit this issue!”
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905228667336499200

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908276308265795585

...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908278070611779585


26 posted on 09/15/2017 9:22:13 AM PDT by Ray76 (Republicans are a Democrat party front group.)
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To: V K Lee

I am surprised so many Freepers caved on Trump.
The Rats lie. But we know this!

You must have stopped praying.

Hint.

(LOL Oh Boy)


27 posted on 09/15/2017 9:29:05 AM PDT by Uversabound (Might does not make right, but it does enforce the commonly recognized rights of each succeeding gen)
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To: Ray76

You can post this several million times & it will never say what you want it to say.

But I had a nice chuckle so thanks for that :)

If/when president Trump actually says he wants amnesty, get back to us with that quote, k?


28 posted on 09/15/2017 9:30:52 AM PDT by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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To: V K Lee

You know when Bush was in office they were talking about given a pathway to citizenship to 11 million people. The immigration debate is now about given legal status to a subset of a subset and a border wall. Everyone accepts that they all have to be “good” youth who are looking for work etc. There is absolutely no debate about the now 20 million illegals. I’ll see how this plays out but as I’m seeing it right now Dems are basically begging for crumbs. Trump is starting to peel away who gets in with DACA also (those who work, military, not on gov assistance). They’ll soon be happy to get a subset of a subset of a subset legalized. If Trump limits legal immigration and ties it to jobs as well as gets a wall this will end up being a huge win. People are so afraid of debate nowadays so they think that Trump talking means capitulation. The left and the right politicos are snowflakes if you ask me. Everyone wants what they want without debate. Cowards, the whole lot of them. Fear of the debate is not what makes the country great.


29 posted on 09/15/2017 9:31:37 AM PDT by wiseprince
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Has this become a Trump adulation zone where no criticism is allowed?

in a word, yes...


30 posted on 09/15/2017 9:32:22 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: socalgop

...also makes the Freep-a-thons go on and on and on...


31 posted on 09/15/2017 9:35:30 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: wiseprince

DACA is already rife with fraud.

Illegal aliens are barred from enlisting in the military.


32 posted on 09/15/2017 9:36:18 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: V K Lee

No deal yet. No bill yet. No law yet.
We shall see what the final bill looks like, if and when
there is a bill.


33 posted on 09/15/2017 9:37:23 AM PDT by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small fee.)
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To: TheStickman

Keep breathing in that gas.


34 posted on 09/15/2017 9:38:31 AM PDT by Ray76 (Republicans are a Democrat party front group.)
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To: IrishBrigade

Yep it is not the “Trump screwed us cry room”


35 posted on 09/15/2017 9:39:15 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: Lurkinanloomin

>>Has this become a Trump adulation zone where no criticism is allowed?<<

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It’s not adulation. It is recognition that America is in a war for our survival.

We (Trump supporters) are IN THAT WAR, to the best of our abilities.

There are plenty of FAKE NEWS channels to criticize Trump. Check it out if you’re interested.

BTW, it is not necessary to win every battle in order to win a war.(Ask North Vietnam. They never won a single battle, yet won the war.)


36 posted on 09/15/2017 9:39:21 AM PDT by Disestablishmentarian
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To: V K Lee

BTTT


37 posted on 09/15/2017 9:40:47 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: DarthVader; bigbob

Zot people who hold a view contrary to yours? What are we? The Left which squashes dissenting opinions without qualm or mercy? Besides, zotting only makes FR smaller and I sure don’t want to see that happen. No...much better to engage people with counter arguments instead of dismissing them.


38 posted on 09/15/2017 9:42:01 AM PDT by Avalon Memories (The question about fighting back is not what average people can to do, but how to do we do it?)
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To: Disestablishmentarian

I will oppose any new laws to benefit those breaking the ones we already have.
If that means opposing a Trump amnesty, so be it.
The rule of law is why I voted for him, if he abandons that then he abandons me.


39 posted on 09/15/2017 9:42:16 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Ray76

Good luck on your quest.


40 posted on 09/15/2017 9:43:44 AM PDT by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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