Posted on 09/04/2017 1:28:45 PM PDT by Hostage
'War Hides Our Crimes'
For those that have known my views over the last two decades on FR, you know then that I am not a conspiracy enthusiast, seldom comment on assembling facts under some weird far-fetched theory. But that was before I saw CNN go full fake with others following suit, before learning that Jeff Bezos and his Washington Post are tools of the CIA, before confirming that the NY Times is a mouthpiece for holdovers of the Clinton regime and Hillary's State Dept, etc. It is still a numbing experience to realize the blatant insanity of the Left now out in full view for everyone to see yet they persist as if their hypocrisy and deception did not exist or did not matter. The Left's motives were always known but in years past it was always kept mostly out of sight but not so now. Now it is front and center. The Left doesn't even bother to hide it anymore. Truth does not matter to these people.
So dare to ask a crazy conspiracy question, dare to question authority but keep it sane, keep it plausible. By asking such questions, we may feel uncomfortable but we demonstrate we are not fools. We can agree with our President's statements, plans, and policies regarding North Korea, we can remain with him, but we need not be thought of as sheep to be herded by Deep State media. We can and should question everything they say.
The central question of relevance is then:
WHAT DOES NORTH KOREA HAVE TO GAIN BY LAUNCHING AN ICBM WITH AN H2 BOMB?
Some answers though irrational are offered below.
However first, we have observed facts from Deep State actors. For example, Petraeus was in NYC in February this year at a poorly attended talk with four other panelists and focused solely on North Korea and what a threat they are because for example, they built a bridge in record time (???), and because of these things it was necessary to bomb them. There is video of this talk and it is bizarre, to say the least. My take on Petraeus after hearing this talk was I wouldn't trust Petraeus further than I could throw him. I think he's an utterly compromised tool.
Many people of repute silently believe Petraeus has been tasked to lead the 'Deep State' in a process of slow soft coup against our President. Maybe, maybe not. The known facts do not implicate him and they at the same time don't clear him. Because he is untrustworthy in my view, I remain suspicious of him. That suspicion is his doing, not mine. He has done NOTHING to build trust with the American people. In fact, he has done the opposite. The same investigators of repute believe Petraeus is tasked to preserve the corruption, the pay-to-play, the illicit arms and drug trade, CIA rogue operators, the swift march towards world government and globalism, and to execute all the sordid 'games' played to preserve the Elite's corrupt power structure. I don't have enough information to dismiss such suspicions but at the same time, I can't be comfortable knowing it's all just a load of conspiracy huey.
Given the facts we now know about Petraeus, the above is not as far-fetched as we would think.
Next, note that investigators are closing in on the Clinton Foundation, the Awan Muslim Brotherhood Spy Ring, Huma Abedin as a Saudi Spy, and other 'Swamp' related persons and events, THEN SUDDENLY North Korea is reported to have detonated an H2 Bomb causing an earthquake of 6+.
Who reported this? Who verified it? Should we be asking these types of questions?
Say the H2 bomb report is true. Why is it in NK's interest to do such a thing?
Here's my take:
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NK is a Hell on Earth according to hundreds of independently reported testimonies of people that have escaped it. The workers are forced to work hours so long (~2 days off per month) and without complaint that they develop terrible pains and they are not allowed to breathe one word of complaint. They also suffer terrible hunger. To deal with their pain and keep their energy up, they take methamphetamine handed out by government dispensaries. It is estimated conservatively that 30% to 50% of the NK population is addicted to meth.
NK methamphetamine is reported to be of high quality, purity, and potency. It is said to have a bluish tint and is distinctively known as 'Blue Ice'. It costs only $10/lb to manufacture and is valued at $30k/lb. The NK government reportedly takes in $100B+/year from meth export as a means of acquiring badly needed revenue.
Pretty girls and fair looking young boys are said to be sold into sex trafficking. Those that are not attractive are sold into indentured servitude aka slavery. Devastating poverty and lack of revenue have created a vertical structure of official hands out for payment with a diabolical ethos that has fallen into a moral abyss into the insanity of Hell.
Why in the backdrop of all this Hell on Earth would the psychopath Kim Jong-Un execute at breakneck speed a program to acquire a hydrogen bomb and delivery system? And more important is the question who in the hell is helping this crazy son-of-a-bitch?
Here's my view: The victims of North Korea are human, and as humans, they rely on any hope they can attach to. The only hope they can think of is if some 'force in the world' will see their plight and rescue them. Thus, Kim Jong-Un's answer to his own people removes all hope because in directing the acquisition of such terrible weapons, his message is NO ONE DARE ATTACK HIS REGIME. Game over for the people of North Korea. ****************************************************************
So then, would this conclusion if valid acquit David Petraeus and render him one of the 'good guys'? HELL NO!
David Petraeus, and by his name is meant the entire seditious, traitorous, globalist opposition to America's quest to revive its prominence and dignity (MAGA), David Petraeus has been ordered to find a distraction, any distraction that would slow the placing of a noose around Deep STate actors and networks. Just as Mueller was brought in the back door to slow the Trump Administration's progress towards closing in on the seditious cabal, programmed to find any pretext for charging the President or his trusted circle with obstruction of justice, David Petraeus was tasked to find a 'hot point' anywhere on the globe for which to create chaos and distraction. That is my inference. And the bastard found such a hot point in North Korea. Congratulations David. You've done your damned despicable job.
Now, who has helped North Korea gain this ability? I don't know. Pakistan is certainly a factor. But the Obama years certainly do not allow one to think that North Korea's efforts were slowed. Whoever helped Kim Jong-Un to do this still does not absolve Petraeus from reaping the wrath of Americans who are awakening.
Let me put it to you this way David, should President Trump in the next moment launch an attack on North Korea, Americans including yours truly will be behind him 100%+ and never abandon him. But don't think for a second that we've forgotten about you and those you are protecting.
No matter what happens David, we are coming after you. WE ARE STILL GOING TO COME AFTER YOU AND YOUR NETWORK!
Your ‘long history’ apparently hasn’t done you much good. To wit:
> “1. The author never answers his own (main) question.”
Yes, he does.
> “2. In trying to answer the main question, he starts out with the statement: “Some answers though irrational are offered below. “. Don’t know where you are from, but where I come from that does not inspire confidence in the reader.”
It is irrational for Kim Jong-Un to do what he’s doing. That was clear. You should work on improving your reading comprehension.
> “3. He goes on and on about how NKs are meth addicted and sold as sex slaves. Interesting if true, but (again) not relevant to the main question.”
It is very relevant as it describes the conditions by which history has recorded time and time again how revolts and revolutions are born. NK persons may reach a point where death is no longer feared. When that happens, the end of a regime usually follows.
> “4. He has some weird grudge against Petraeus. Honestly, my opinion of Petraeus has gone down in the last few years, but not to the point where I think he would aid NK in any way.”
Petraeus is the point man for the Armed Services Committee which wants to control the agenda and bring Trump under its thumb. Petraeus’s orders are to go find a war and make it happen.
Do yourself a favor and answer the central question. This it the FOURTH time you’ve been asked to do it. You won’t so that consigns you to the category of Troll.
Your comments are good and constructive.
You are missing, however, the tie-in with Petraeus. That’s a gap you will need to fill and to do that you will need to read from members of the intel community who are monitoring Petraeus. Understand first that Petraeus is compromised. That is fact.
To get a glimpse of what the whole Petraeus tie-in is about, see post #37.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3583115/posts?page=37#37
Good points. Yes, the NK insanity is a real concern. The additional point is that the Petraeus neocon bloc will like to use it to take over the Trump agenda.
The Petraeus tie-in is not conjecture or tongue-in-cheek. Petraeus is the point man for the neocon group comprising McCain, Graham and the other members of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
See post #37 for a bit more:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3583115/posts?page=37#37
I will post a separate thread about Petraeus but not today as I am obligated to other things. But in the meantime, search Petraeus, Deep State, Senate Armed Services, Neocon and study up on it. The picture will become clear and you will find plenty of reputable reports and commentaries about David. He is compromised, that’s fact.
Thank you. Do a little further and ensure that some lying bastard didn’t start an echo chamber about observed seismic events. I don’t doubt you but I’ve seen so many citizen reporters uncover blatant lies and propaganda that in another era would have been accepted as accurate.
If there were indeed recorded seismic events, there should be separate independent reports presenting that news. Please make sure it isn’t one source with a whole group of lemmings carrying it forward.
I found two so far:
IRIS and The Department of Defense nuclear monitoring seismograph in that Tennesee cavern.
I understand there are more.
Ok, that’s a good start. I’m inclined to accept the seismic reporting as accurate.
We can’t take at face value any reports from the news media without getting some degree of confirmation. Fortunately, there are people worldwide that are chasing down every report of importance and confirming or dismissing them. There’s a shadow media that is emerging and getting stronger.
I agree. All ‘facts’ presented by the News Misleadia must be corroborated.
Easy-peezey !
The UN gives them $1 million dollars in food, that the US paid for, to feed the military, while the population starves !
The Russians give them our uranium
The Indians gave them centrifuges
The Iranians gave them the nuclear reactor technology to increase radioactivity, and grow their nuclear stockpile.
The Chinese gave them the rocket technology and telemetry (thanks to Clinton with our technology)which is the delivery system.
And our Congress, which can't even eliminate an unConstitutional health care system, is too busy looking for a "Russian connection", where there isn't one,
all the while the Awan Brothers Cartel still has access to National Intelligence and National Security through all the Democratic representatives.
And yet ,you wonder who the SOB's are ?
It is the media and the press who refuse to admit that "the hack" was an inside job, done by an IT "Trojan Horse" which is totally being ignored,..and is still active.
The only investigation being conducted is being done by the Keystone Cops of D.C., who don't have the capacity to conduct such an investigation,
with a prosecutor who is related to the seditionist who brought the Trojan into information /intelligence of government (and are still there).
Who are the SOBs ? We all are - for not insisting that investigations based on contrived "Feelings" be eliminated, and conduct inquisitions based on FACTS !
We all contributed because we didn't yell - ENOUGH WITH THE BS - based on "hurt feelings" !
FIND CULPABILITY WITH THE CRIMINAL FACTS THAT ARE ALREADY EVIDENT AND STATED !
Good info and points.
There are now hundreds and growing of people working together to get the goods on the Awan-Deep State actors. Each day more information comes to light. It’s becoming a movement. And it won’t stop. Stay tuned, you will see more of it soon.
bkmrk
“I don’t like to question the reports of NK detonating an H2 Bomb, but how can any of us in this day of 24/7 CNN BS be certain such a detonation took place?”
My first notice of the H2 bomb was not from any U.S. media sources but from sources in Asia - South Korea, Japan and China. They do not work for CNN nor were they merely relaying reports from CNN or any other western media. The facts are, sometimes just because CNN reports something does not always make it NOT true.
Your statements in post #37 add NOTHING factual regarding Petreaus, just additional claims about Petraeus you are making - no sources, no facts, just more opinion about the meaning of Petraeus activities.
A conspiracy theory on such flimsy evidence is not a theory at all, just mental ramblings in my opinion.
Granted I am no fan of McCain and the Neocons, but you’ve shown me nothing convincing concerning the “get the U.S. into war with North Korea” agenda you say Petraeus is on.
Are you incapable of fact checking for yourself what others summarize? Are you demanding others work for you?
The information is so easy to find. It’s everywhere. Why have you not bothered to make the effort to verify it?
Here is a ‘sampling’ that is less than a percent of the information that is at your fingertips:
1. Trump, McMaster and the Petraeus legacy (Asia Times)
http://www.atimes.com/article/trump-mcmaster-petraeus-legacy
A primer on the reality of David Petraeus’s legacy.
2. Petraeus planning massive war in Syria
http://rickwells.us/report-mcmaster-petraeus-planning-unilateral-war-syria-150000-us-troops
“The operation would be substantial, including the deployment of 150,000 ground troops to Syria. Petraeus is reportedly on board to help him sell the idea to President Trump, with war-mongering Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham already making the rounds of television interview programs to prepare the American public for the idea. What’s the point of having all of these missiles and bombs if you don’t get to use them to blow things up, eh, boys? They’re not really practical for killing terrorists.”
“Special Operations Vets, including General Joseph Votel have raised serious concerns over his plans for Syria and for his sharing of classified information with Petraeus, who no longer has his security clearance after it was revoked in his own security scandal. Of course one really can’t get much more into the deep state establishment web than former CIA Director General Petraeus, who was being considered for the position McMasters, his prodigy, now holds. Under the current arrangement, he was able to avoid the embarrassment and difficulty of confirmation hearings and still be involved in the decision-making process.”
Petraeus also instructed McMaster to remove Bannon from the NSC.
This report is one of hundreds spanning years showing Petraeus is the puppeteer. Petraeus is compromised as a result of extensive Obama surveillance on him. The Left, the Neocons, the Deep State have the goods on him, enough to send him to prison if he doesn’t comply with their scripts. He can easily be ruined if he does not follow the role set out for him.
One telltale sign is how Petraeus suddenly, inexplicably at a Senate Armed Services Hearin in March 2017 blamed the Mideast conflicts on ‘the Joos’ which is a standard Neocon fallback. That played right into Obama’s directives to downplay anything calling attention to Radical Islam and to direct blame for diplomatic failures on Israel, especially PM Netanyahu. Months into the Trump Presidency, David is still carrying water for Obama but this time with prodding from McCain.
It doesn’t take long to understand that Petraeus is owned by the ‘Deep State’ and that includes answering to Senator McCain. McCain hates Trump so we can bet that his relationship with Petraeus is one that directs Petraeus to do all in his power to bring Trump to heel.
3. Petraeus and the Senate Armed Services Committee
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/28/state-contender-petraeus-knowingly-leaked-secrets-biographer-lied-fbi/94547624
Petraeus has also remained a favorite of Senate heavyweights such as Sen. John McCain, the Arizona Republican and chairman of the Armed Services Committee, and the leading Democrat on the panel, Jack Reed of Rhode Island.
They praised him in January after Pentagon officials concluded that Petraeus be allowed to retain his four stars in retirement, a decision that allowed him to maintain a pension of around $220,000 per year. The senators wrote that Petraeus had a “long career of exceptionally distinguished, honorable and dedicated service to our nations and to the soldiers he so brilliantly led in combat.”
The above was after Petraeus had turned over extremely sensitive classified material to his mistress/biographer:
“The notebooks he forwarded contained a trove of the nation’s most guarded secrets, including secret code words, the names of covert operatives, war strategy, intelligence capabilities and mechanisms, and discussions at the highest levels of the national security establishment, including the president.”
McCain’s gesture to Petraeus was a signal that McCain’s Deep State affiliations were now the owners of Petraeus’s future. It’s easy to infer the Petraeus would end up dead or in prison if McCain withdrew support. However, Petraeus needed to be utilized in McCain’s Armed Services network and so was placed in a position created with the private equity group ($100+ billion) KKR.
4. Petraeus joins KKR (numerous links)
Petraeus heads KKR Global (Kohlberg, Kravis and Roberts) and became a frequent Bilderberg attendee; member of CFR
This reveals unequivocally that Petraeus is Deep State. Despite having no investment experience and having disgraced himself, he is placed in a high profile influential position covering all the organizations that are diametrically opposed to Trump’s populist appeal. His position with KKR serves to provide him financial and accounting expertise support for signing deals made between the Senate Armed Services Committee and hundreds of major defense contractors and defense associations. He is a co-founder with Henry Kravis (Director of the investment fund KKR). They both collaborated to arm and train the Sunni forces in Iraq which later became ISIS. Presently, Petraeus directs which wars to prepare for and oversees plans for their execution. In other words, he is the point man for war spoils.
5. David Petraeus Should Not Make The Cabinet. He’s Just Hillary Clinton In A Better Pantsuit
http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/06/petraeus-just-hillary-in-a-better-pantsuit
This a most damning summary of who Petraeus truly is in terms of actions and ideology.
Petraeus attempts to present himself as apolitical, a neutral party, but his actions and words are in line with the politically correct ideology of Deep State actors. In this context, Petraeus can easily be understood to a version of James Comey in a military uniform.
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Do yourself a favor and take up some study. You will be more clear about what is happening with conflicts in the world. As for Korea, Petraeus has been talking in wishful terms for an opportunity to carry his corporate sponsors into that conflict for profit. Petraeus is not inclined to make it a quick and over with affair. He will design the conflict to optimize the benefit for all those Deep State sponsors. And the point made from the beginning is that the conflict will be directed to engulf the Trump Administration so that all other MAGA like concerns become of secondary importance. In sum, Korea is the death of the MAGA agenda that Trump campaigned on.
In May 2017 Petraeus continues to ‘market’ war and floats the prospect of war with China. (Video 2.5 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COnkA3muUrU
As in-depth study and tracking are made of Petraeus, it becomes clear he is a softly spoken player that personifies warmongering; a soft warmonger. That is what he does. When his relationship with McCain is held in focus, it becomes quite clear that war is their business for profit and Petraeus is leading its marketing and planning.
No doubt that Korea is a concern. No doubt also that Iran is a concern, as are Venezuela and others. But the point is that Trump will need appropriations from Congress and McCain will be there to extract concessions using Petraeus’s influence via McMaster to steer the President ‘their way’.
And if Trump does not fall in line with the Neocons, then there will be yet another headline coming from NK. The Neocon warmongers are gunning for Donald Trump.
My hope is that the President can present what he needs via General Mattis. But that doesn’t account for the skulduggery of McCain. McCain is just a figurehead. It will be interesting to see how Donald will get through this.
Thanks for posting
>>>> I just think this article is incoherent gibberish. <<<<
I’ve got to agree with you, for two reasons: first, the article is gibberish, and second, it’ll be cool to be labeled a troll for saying so.
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PING
Back to the thread.
Check out # 54 and # 49.
SP’s run amok. Ignore ‘em.
second, it’ll be cool to be labeled a troll for saying so.
The Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons at the US's insistence and promise of protection, and look what happened to them.
Libya's Qaddafi gave up his nuclear programme, and ended up sodomized to death with a bayonet, because Crooked Hillary wanted a pipeline. ("We came, we saw, he died. (cackle)")
The NK regime knows that a nuclear deterrent is their best defense against the cowardly swamp that is Washington, DM (District of Mordor).
Here on FR, there are contemporary posts showing widely spaced seismograph data at the time of the test, whose vibrational signature is consistent with that of a surface / slightly underground nuke, not of a conventional explosion.
Secondly, the Donald responded, not just swamp-dwellers.
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