Posted on 08/04/2017 3:51:42 PM PDT by fwdude
I've been hearing that Dunkirk is one of the greatest war flicks in history, with a few deniers panning it.
Anyone see it yet that can give a recommendation?
Bunch of white guys save the world,so minority groups,liberals and Muslims can destroy it 70 years later...
The timeline is unusual.
There are three stories being told simultaneously...but...
One story takes a week of "real time"...
One, a single day...
And one, just one hour.
I wonder how many people who complain about the timeline liked "Pulp Fiction".
.....
It's not about the Germans. They're referenced, but I don't think you see any until the end.
It's not about Churchill. His "we shall never surrender" is read out of a newspaper by one of the soldiers at the end. If you want to see these events from Churchill's perspective, "The Darkest Hour" starring Gary Oldman is due out, I think, in November.
It's about a group of maybe a dozen soldiers, three RAF pilots, a civilian boat owner, his son, and his son's friend.
That's it, that's all.
I liked it.
Well Fatso was involved because according to the history I read he wanted his air force to take them out. For what reason would those two generals want to stop their forces from going onto the beach head?
No! Is was insulting if you know your WWII history. That said well filmed. Nicely acted but poor plot.
BUT if you love to see Spitfire’s flying around shooting down Germans and I do, well this is your flick.
Didn’t enjoy all the ship sinking and people drowning however.
I think I heard Michael Cain doing a voice cameo. Made me grin.
There was division in the Nazi ranks as to whether or not to invade Britain, or to continue to hope for a Peace Treaty with Britain.
Wiping out the Brits at Dunkirk probably would have killed any chance for a Peace Treaty. Hitler was not really interested in invading England, although von Ribbentrop was pushing for it.
Hitler felt Britain was neutralized to the point that he could turn his attention to Russia.
Of course, he forgot that the Brits would take the fight to North Africa, and that the Italians would be no match for them.
As women claim it is too male-centric (there were no women soldiers fighting and evacuating), I suspect it will be a very good movie to go see.
They all wet themselves over Wonder Woman (fictitious woman mary jane in WWI movie), but real factual movie about WWII, no, that’s too male-centric.
I’d like to get a copy of “The Longest Day” that was filmed simultaneously with the French and Germans speaking English. For my wife...she can’t do subtitles.
Yeah, lots of different stories. I just finished reading “The Third Reich” and “Hitler” and nothing really in it about “hey, just let them go” so I guess it depends on which historian you read.
“Montgomery’s training paid off when the Germans began their invasion of the Low Countries on 10 May 1940
and the 3rd Division advanced to the River Dijle and then withdrew to Dunkirk with great professionalism,
entering the Dunkirk perimeter in a famous night-time march that placed his forces on the left flank, which had been left exposed by the Belgian surrender.[55]
The 3rd Division returned to Britain intact with minimal casualties. “
Spoiler, highlight to see:-->The first one shot down.<--
Dunkirk should have had subtitles. I find the English brogue hard to understand at times.
http://www.wargamer.com/articles/general-montgomery-and-the-fighting-retreat-to-dunkirk-may-1940/
“With the British Expeditionary Force now in their positions along the River Dyle following the German break through at Sedan, the British faced their first serious clash with the invading Germans on 14 May. General Von Bock’s troops tried to take the town of Louvain but Montgomery calmly responded by calling down a massive artillery bombardment on them from his 60 pounder heavy guns. This caught the German troops in the open and quickly turned back their assault. On 26 May, the Germans conducted a reconnaissance in force against the British. The following day, they launched a fierce three division assault on the British lines south of the town of Ypres. The attack too was soon beaten back. However, with the sudden and unexpected Belgian capitulation by their King, Leopold, there was suddenly a 20 mile long hole along the British left flank between their lines and those of the French, located along the channel at Nieuport. With inadequate forces at his disposal to plug the gap. II Corps Commander General Alan Brooke was forced to order Montgomery’s 3rd Infantry Division on the southernmost right flank of the pocket to conduct a night time 25 mile road march with his entire 13,000 man division from one end of the British perimeter to the other, oftentimes over unfamiliar roads while traveling extremely close to the German lines. The night march had to be made in order to avoid both day time German observation as well as air attacks on Montgomery’s troops while they were strung out along the roads. In the late afternoon of 27 May the 3rd Division’s armored cars, machine gun vehicles as well as 2,000 lorries, vans and troop carriers of all kind moved out onto the road as darkness descended upon the region. With next to no illumination to speak of other than the lively flashes of British artillery firing from nearby Mount Kemmel to guide them, the division made its way to the opposite side of the British perimeter where it arrived before first light. Arriving on his divisional front Montgomery was shocked to learn the Belgians had surrendered. This left him with an additional 13 miles of strategically important territory to defend. Montgomery later recalled: “Here was a pretty pickle! Instead of having the Belgian Army on my left, I now had nothing.” Montgomery quickly threw together an ad hoc force of British and French armored cars, Bren machine gun carriers, and a handful of infantry to guard the key bridges and road junctions along the recently evacuated line, eventually tying in with their French allies at the towns of Wulpen and Nieuport on the channel. Even then it was all an extremely close run business. An engineer from the 12th Lancers only just managed to blow up the bridge at Dixmude in the face of Von Bock’s quickly advancing infantry to keep it from falling into German hands. The seizure of this bridge could have cracked the Allied line wide open.”
Agree about Hacksaw Ridge.
Combat scenes were very realistic.
Story was about medic Desmond Doss, a true American hero.
“Lord, give me one more......”
Repost of mine from a thread last week:
For the amount of money spent I thought it was a shame that Nolan didn’t do a better job. I appreciate the importance of Dunkirk and there are some good scenes, but overall this movie is bad.
1. Super Loud. Thankfully I had read a review before I went recommending earplugs so I took some. I heard all of the dialog just fine - it was that loud. Much of the “music” didn’t fit with the scenes, and during some of the “non action” scenes there was super loud background noise that was not linked to anything (such as combat, boat motor, etc.) just this meaningless body jarring booming noise.
2. Sorry, but the three plot thing just didn’t work and the acting was deadpan horrible. I don’t know much about movie editing, but I believe that I could do a better job of making the movie flow better and making more efficient use of the hour and a half.
3. Technical. Where to begin. The movie industry must take us for total buffoons, and maybe most of “us” are. The so called air combat scenes were a joke. The fighters never did more than some lazy “S” turns. No hard G turns, pitch ups, split S, etc. Go watch some gun camera footage on youtube to get an idea of real ACM. After the spitfire ditching scene I could hardly stay for the rest of the movie. The whole drama of the sinking aircraft with the pilot stuck with a closed canopy went on and on and on. Sink and drown or get rescued already. Besides, the entire premise of that scene was bogus. Look at any photo of WWII type aircraft landing on carriers and the canopy will be OPEN. One of the first things you learn in prop aircraft (and some early jets without canopy jettison systems) was when taking off/landing on a carrier or when ditching is to have the CANOPY OPEN for the very reason that it might jam.
In another situation about 10 soldiers were hiding on the fishing boat waiting for the tide to come in and the Germans were taking pot shots at it. As the tide came in and water started coming in through the bullet holes, when there was several hundred gallons of water sloshing around, one of the soldiers said “one of us has to get off” so that the boat can float. I laughed out loud. This created the whole drama scene where the French soldier posing as a Brit was found out. A gallon of water weighs 8.5 lbs so even 200 hundred gallons would be 1,700 lbs, so one man at 150 lbs would be meaningless.
while that is part of it the German panzer force needed to refit for the rest of the battle for France. The French had better tanks and fought harder than the typical British narrative. and the Germans knew it was going to take a lot of casualties to break through the defenses and none of it was good tank country. The RN did itself proud with the loses to prove it. i believe the RAF shot down more German planes than they lost. the Luftwaffe could fly from close bases so the same plane could fly 4 missions a day vs one for the RAF movie was awful
“Not a documentary, but a good story.”
Speaking of; the American Heroes Channel (AHC) runs an excellent documentary on Dunkirk. Gives the full context as its a subset of AHC’s WWII series which incompasses the war in its entirety, both theaters. Anyway, if your cable provider carries AHC keep a lookout for it.
Yeah, they were pretty much knackered at that point. Later, after the BEF was safely back in the UK whenever an RAF bloke showed up they’d attack him for not being down on the ground protecting them from the GAF - they kept saying they were at altitude keeping them away from the beach head. However, the GPF were still capable of driving the BEF into the sea.
It was OK. Worth a trip on discount Tuesday.
The women were shown on a hospital ship. They were not running around on the beach.
*sigh*
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.