Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life

New York Post ^ | 05/13/2017 | Melanie Notkin

[BJ1]

I hear the same story, told in different ways, all over New York City. There’s 34-year-old Kate, who works in finance downtown. “She’s beautiful, smart, talented . . . everything going for her,” her colleague tells me. “But her boyfriend doesn’t feel settled in his career, so she spent thousands of dollars to freeze her eggs as she waits for him to be ready.

[vooch]

My sister in law is the prime example of the modern entitled american woman. She whines about how hard her life is while sits on th couch flipping through magazines. Meanwhile my brother is doing the laundry.

Her days consists of going to gym, getting a massage, having lunch, going for a swim, taking a nap, ‘making’
dinner ( meaning ordering take out ) and lounging by the teevee at night.

2 thanksgivings ago, my brother had to go to work at 0700. We had a huge thanksgiving dinner with 15 people. Dishes stacked to the ceiling, guests all
gone, I go into kitchen and start cleaning up. Sister in law ‘oh don’t clean up, your brother will do that when he comes home from work’

[Secret Agent Man]

You really need to talk to your brother.

Seriously. Especially if they do not have kids. For his own sake. He has to kmow on a fundamental level things are not right.

[cherry]

sadly, all too many grown men remain childish....

the problem with our whole country is young people not growing up to adulthood and taking the responsibilities of adulthood....family, children, work, volunteerism, and a spiritual life...

[Secret Agent Man]

And don’t clean their damn dishes. Dont be a beta male either. Help your brother to stop being one too. Whether she leaves or stays is immaterial. ,if she stays she wanted him to be in control over her and the house, if she leaves she never saw him as a long term candidate and he is better off because he is free to find someone who will.

[deadrock]

100% correct. There is no debate or argument. Women did this to themselves and they are never accountable for their actions.

[DesertRhino]

So.....if men don’t do what you think is best for them, they are childish. Who put YOU in charge?

[Jamestown1630]

I don’t see men wanting to change women, either. But I do think that people in general tend to want someone who will ‘make them happy’.

Nobody can ‘make’ anybody happy. Men and women have to make themselves happy. You love somebody for themselves, not what they can do for you.

[BizBroker]

Poindexter's Revenge. A-holes get laid while nice guys buy dinner. The reward you get as a nice guy is becoming the Plan B or C to some woman who only looks at you as a human ATM and sperm donor in order to lock you into a relationship you’re not going to want. Think about it; most attractive women in this country have had an array of men chasing after them since puberty. A few (and often, more than a few) have seen her naked, and have gotten sex from her in the most adulterous ways imaginable. The only reason she even talks to Poindexter is because she’s had one kid too many and/or is older and can no longer compete against the younger women who have passed her by. The fallacy is that even then the nice guy is still regarded as the standby, the fall back. Studies have shown that the more partners a woman has prior to marriage, the more dissatisfied she is in it. Which is part of the reason why women initiate 70% of all divorces. Most husbands are rarely looked at by their wives as a hot commodity. When she goes out with her girlfriends and they discuss all of the hot guys they had sex with over the years, hubby’s name rarely, if EVER comes up. The only time his name pops up is discussing something he does wrong, doesn’t do enough or is completely incompetent at doing (which is often sex). Face it; women are hypergamous. 80 percent of women only want the top 20 percent of men. They want a status symbol that they can brag to their girlfriends about and the man she ‘settles’ for and marries can never compete against this construct. Guys in this scenario can never win. They can have rock hard abs and an 11″ personality and still be thought of as a cheap substitute for the ‘real thing’ she had while in high school or college. Can you imagine what she thinks of a dude who doesn’t have those things going for him? So, when most of these women have had their fun, they seek out the same beta provier that only a few years ago was not good or exciting enough for them to consider having a relationship with. Why settle down again?

[Jamestown1630]

You’re painting with a very broad brush.

I never realized how really jaundiced toward women a lot of FR men are...

[deadrock]

Yup. All of it.

[BizBroker]

Maybe, but I call them as I see them through the lessons of experience. I notice you did not post this sentiment to the women who agreed with the author that men these days are childish. Hmmm, wonder why that is?

I never noticed how jaundiced toward men a lot of FR women are...

[Secret Agent Man]

And dont get me wrong, i am not saying there are no bad guys out there or that men do not make mistakes. I am saying it is high time to stop assuming everything bad in a womans world is a mans fault. And to maybe have a real conversation about what women are doing that they may find not be pleasant to shine a light on.

Their hypergamous sexual strategy has just as many unpleasant and immoral and ugly parts to it as a mans sexual strategy, yet only the womans strategy is promoted as all good and the male strategy, all bad. According to women. Thy get to judge both, men are jut told theirs is the awful one.

Both are. They have no moral superiority to boast of. And they know that and are afraid of men learning this because it will screw up their ability to guilt shame men and keep them in line as good little beta males.

[deadrock]

The ‘jaundiced’ view is earned and pretty much the only power we men have over the modern woman. We are on to you....well the Red Pill man is anyway.

[Jamestown1630]

I haven’t seen quite the adamant negativity from women here, as I’ve seen from some men.

As for your ‘experience’: you can’t change the past, but you can change your mind at any moment. Until you do, and believe in the possibility, you will never be able to find a woman who can be to you what you may want. You’ve decided that it doesn’t exist out there, and it’s so, for you.

The venom coming off of some of you guys is so strong I’m sure I’d sense it if I simply passed you as a stranger on the street...

[BizBroker]

And yet you never answered the question as to why you did not call out the women on here who agreed with the author that men are childish. I know why though. Because, like most of society, you think women can do no wrong. As an example, a woman who was supposed to be my friend told me recently that the reason I have not had a successful relationship with a woman is because I HAVE MADE THE WRONG CHOICES! Nevermind the horrendous treatment that I got from these women, nevermind the fact I have been lied to, cheated on, and otherwise treated like crap. The women who did those things to me were not at fault, No! I was because I chose wrong! So, in the minds of many women, they can do no wrong, and even when caught dead to rights being wrong, it is still a man’s fault somehow.

And do not even pretend to know what I think or what my experiences are! I have been dating for 30 plus years. I may know a thing or two about what I am talking about here. Realtionships between men and women sure have changed, and not for the better. So, am I jaded, sure I am. But it is not without just cause. And no matter what you think, the women I have had relationships with share in at least half the blame.

[Netz]

Women charged blindly into the Women's Lib movement in the 1960’s and even got their own cigarette (Virginia Slims...you've come a long way baby”).

Now, after some 50 years of this liberation, they are paying the price for Emasculating men and trying to become man-like.

You reap what you sow...

[BizBroker]

And that is what they hate, which is why the “you are jaded and negative” remarks and other shaming language come into play. According to them, we should just be positive visions of light no matter how we have been treated. Just forget all of it and put ourselves out there to be mauled again by yet another woman. At the same time they excuse or gloss over women behaving badly, because vagina. No thanks. I choked on the Red Pill when I first took it. But there is no going back now.

[Jamestown1630]

Many young women today do find many men immature and unwilling to take on responsibility, and I can’t argue with that. But I don’t believe that all men are that way; and I wouldn’t write about all men in a condemning way.

I do believe that many men make very stupid choices; and the woman in the article is making a stupid choice as well. None of these choices are purely due to sex or sexual imperatives. It’s a matter of individual character, too; and I think it’s a rare situation when relationships and marriages fail entirely due to the fault of one person.

[vooch]

they’ve been married 18 years, 2 kids both in 10th grade, he paid cash using his money for their house, guess who is the only name on the title to the house ?

extreme Stockholm syndrome

[Jamestown1630]

And yet there are so many men on FR who daily testify to their happiness in marriage and their love for their wives.

I wonder what “magic” they have that other men don’t, that they should be content, and never experienced a failure or disappointment.