Posted on 03/30/2017 1:13:04 PM PDT by Luircin
Ryan & Prebuis are responsible for the debacle in the healthcare bill!
Know why it was pulled? Had more moderate Republicans line up to vote against it! Ryan & Prebuis really didn’t do their jobs!!!! Huge fail.
And it only stopped PP funding for ONE year!! Read page 23 of CBO report! What a disaster!
Not Freedom Caucus fault - they ride the pulse of the American people.
You got half of people happy Ryancare failed and the other half upset at the failure.
And then there is me.
Knee jerk it is.
What I’m laying out is a case for how the current drama is part of the process for Trump keeping his promises.
You’re acting like a child without even engaging my points.
Here’s some game theory. I was promised a 1000 times, right off the bat “repeal and replace”. I was never promised a teeny adjustment to Obamacare to start, and two more phases later in the term, which I know would never happen.
If they don’t have the balls to do it now, im supposed to believe they will as we approach midterms?
LOL
I wish someone would at least take the time to understand the history of the base of the republican party. When you go to far away from the constitution or moral issues conservatives stay home. All you are doing is saying Conservatives are no longer welcome in the republican/uni-party crowd.
This is what I expected from Trump anyway in the beginning, guess I should not be disappointed. Thoroughly disgusted though.
Trump has lived up to his promises, even with all the players aligned up against him. No President is a dictator capable of getting what he wants 100%, though Obama tried very hard to be one. I'm glad Trump is not taking that same route.
Trump is not a conservative.
doesn’t matter.
Connecting the Freedom Caucus to the RATs is a loser.
Threatening to primary them buys nobody nothing on our side.
The RATs don’t need to be energized.
Apparently Trump and the Freedom Caucus are getting along fine behind the scenes.
My hope is that folks here will have a little more emotional IQ and see that this is a strategy game among many competing interests and observe objectively. Many folks feel that they are part of a faction and take this stuff personally.
No one here belongs to one of these “teams.”
There are no teams, only interests. And there is no loyalty. And that includes the HFC.
You campaign on “repeal AND REPLACE”, you put up a bill that gets blocked by members of your own party who are too stuck on ideology to get anything done.
Game theory is making it harder than it is. When a businessman runs into obstacles he finds ways around them. That’s what Trump is doing.
That was fascinating. People pay good money for tutorials of this caliber. Thank you so much for taking the time to boil all that down. It makes perfect sense out of the heretofore incomprehensible. I wish I could give you a hundred up-votes; even that would not be enough.
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It’s a round about way of saying that Trump is very consistent in dealing with people: friends are praised, enemies are mercilessly attacked. As long as he’s consistent and he is, then everyone can accurately predict the consequences of their actions and over the long run, it’s good for him.
But in this particular case, it’s really all about Ryan. Trump either played this out in public in order to give Ryan the rope with which to hang himself, or he foolishly put his faith in Ryan, and got burned for it. But Ryan was never supposed to lead the newly elected President into a public legislative defeat. It doesn’t really matter what was going on with the Freedom Caucus, or any other faction of Republicans, that all should’ve been worked out by Ryan behind closed doors weeks and months ago.
The Senate is far less conservative than the House and would have made the bill worse, it’s what they do.
Politics is big money for the Democrats.
They will even come on Free Republic to stir things up.
This is a very sensitive subject.
I think that we need to let this thing play out.
But there are people who have had enormous increases in the cost of their health insurance and they would like to see their rates reduced yesterday.
It is going to be extremely hard to fix this until at least 60% of our citizens can deal with reality.
The reality is that there is no such thing as “free” health care.
Until 60% or more of our citizens believe that, we are going to have problems.
Maybe we should all go smoke some weed and chill out.
Not a good demonstration of empathy for those of us crying for representation.
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That much I can understand. I would have been more upset with these tweets myself if I hadn’t spent a significant chunk of time in the rough-and-tumble parts of NYC and got a sense of the culture.
In this case I think it’s more cultural; DJT has his eye on the results and expects that once he’s moved the proverbial ball enough down the field that these parts of the process will be mostly forgotten.
But hey, that’s just a theory!
Are you the Freedom Caucus? Why didn't you demand this in your direct meetings with Trump, instead making some demands, all of which were given to you, and then, after a deal is made, stabbing the President in the back just to make him look stupid and to insure no bill gets voted on at all?
You ahve a lot of explaining to do, DesertRhino/Freedom Caucus.
Nor is he a Republican, IMO. DJT is a 3rd party candidate who used the Republican Party as a vehicle for election. Not at all sure how all this will turn out but it's safe to say that the Rs will never again be the same and I'm OK with that.
Now, we as outsiders are free to assign the labels as we chose, but those on the inside will play according to THEIR perception, and in the real world, will take every advantage their strength allows them to take. The players are not equals in dealing.
As far as "calming tensions" goes, learn to love the tension. Tension, stress and failure are good things in the long run - see game theory.
What President Trump was saying to the ‘freedom caucus’ was this, for those of you that can’t understand ‘legal speak’:
“Get off your butts and do your jobs and we will get along fine...don’t and I will do it for you!”...
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