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'Rome, Sweet Rome': Could a Single Marine Unit Destroy the Roman Empire?
Popular Mechanics ^ | October 31, 2017 | Alyson Sheppard

Posted on 02/17/2017 10:16:40 AM PST by C19fan

James Erwin was browsing Reddit on his lunch break when a thread piqued his interest. A user called The_Quiet_Earth had posed the question: "Could I destroy the entire Roman Empire during the reign of Augustus if I traveled back in time with a modern U.S. Marine infantry battalion or MEU?"

The question struck a chord with the 37-year-old Erwin, a technical writer from Des Moines, Iowa, who happened to be finishing a book called The Encyclopedia of U.S. Military Actions (Through Facts on File). Erwin tells PM that he wasn't impressed by other users' early attempts to answer this question, and so, posting under the username Prufrock451, he came up with his own response. Erwin wrote a 350-word short story chronicling the fictitious 35th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU), which suddenly disappears from modern-day Kabul and reappears on the Tiber River in 23 B.C. Erwin posted the piece, finished his meal, and went back to work.

(Excerpt) Read more at popularmechanics.com ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: 2011; flashback; marines; rome
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This is an old article but the search came up empty. I would think if any of the Marines had expertise in metallurgy or find allies who have that knowledge they could start fashioning rifled muskets. Cortes with an army in the hundreds took down the Aztecs by finding allies, disease, and using the local resources to repair and build new weapons.
1 posted on 02/17/2017 10:16:40 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Yes...as long as they don’t run out of gas!


2 posted on 02/17/2017 10:18:48 AM PST by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: C19fan

That would one LONG supply line.


3 posted on 02/17/2017 10:18:51 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: C19fan

In a similar vein: What if in April of the year 2000, a six-mile sphere centered on Grantville, West Virginia was displaced in space and time to Germany and May, 1631. The inhabitants of Grantville decided to start the American revolution early; the nobility of Europe were not amused.

go to: http://1632.org/

It is a great series of historical fantasy books. I’ve read them all, and 2 or 3 new volumes are added every year.


4 posted on 02/17/2017 10:21:02 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: C19fan

One of the great Internet classics. Worth reading.


5 posted on 02/17/2017 10:21:36 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Understand the Left: "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution.")
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To: ctdonath2

Appears the movie version is in development limbo.


6 posted on 02/17/2017 10:23:06 AM PST by C19fan
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I do not believe a single unit could destroy the Roman legions. They would have run out of supplies (and men) before reaching the capital.

The Romans were not equivalent to the inferior Aztecs.

It would take more than a single unit to defeat the combined might (300,000 well trained warriors) of the Roman Empire.


7 posted on 02/17/2017 10:23:21 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: GreyFriar

The Instapundit is a big fan.


8 posted on 02/17/2017 10:23:27 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Kirk in “Time Tunnel” sent Jiggs back to the plains of Troy with a machine gun and grenades....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95IOCHJWeec
(~28:00)


9 posted on 02/17/2017 10:26:52 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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Another Erwin, different spelling. :)


10 posted on 02/17/2017 10:28:18 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: C19fan

Reminiscent of the Lost Regiment series by William Forstchen.


11 posted on 02/17/2017 10:28:19 AM PST by Windcatcher (Time to fly the other black flag -- one of no quarter for Marxists.)
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To: rlmorel

I get the feeling that steam-powered battleships would survive longer in terms of being able to refuel on short notice, so long as the fireboxes were adapted for wood and other similar materials; wooden ships could even be dismantled as a fuel source.


12 posted on 02/17/2017 10:28:20 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: GreyFriar

I’ve got all that series as well. Excellent series. First book (”1632”) is free
http://www.baen.com/authors/eric-flint-4.html


13 posted on 02/17/2017 10:30:08 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: C19fan

My guess is they would win a few early battles then the Romans would adapt and eventually destroy them. That is assuming their supplies were unlimited.

Other wise it would be over after a couple of engagements.


14 posted on 02/17/2017 10:31:06 AM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: C19fan

Reminds me of the old Twilight Zone episode where Warren Oates with his crew and their Sherman tank found themselves at the Battle of the Little Big Horn. Cool concept.


15 posted on 02/17/2017 10:31:07 AM PST by MCRD
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Not sure, but if Skynet sent a Terminator back...


16 posted on 02/17/2017 10:32:40 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on about Deportation, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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No. Eventually the Marines would be destroyed.

They would win as long as they had fuel and ammo, then lose.

Even if they could reload ammo, recharge batteries, and make their own lower tech weapons, the logistic challenges of staying ahead of consumption would eventually cause them to be overwhelmed.

The Romans, after learning that pitched battles end in disaster, would cut them off from food (scorched earth) and use guerilla tactics to disrupt them. (Read about Fabius Cuncator - Fabius the Delayer)

Eventually, logistics and friction would grind the unit down and it would be destroyed.

However, Romans are nothing, if not pragmatic. The Marines could become wealthy Roman Citizens if they decided to join the Republic or Empire and employ their weapons and expertise on the Romans’ behalf.


17 posted on 02/17/2017 10:35:04 AM PST by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: Flavious_Maximus

The Aztecs also pissed off all their neighbors, so the Spanish had plenty of friends when they marched against the them...


18 posted on 02/17/2017 10:36:27 AM PST by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: Little Ray

The Marangian Guard. :)


19 posted on 02/17/2017 10:39:23 AM PST by C19fan
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Its amusing to speculate about things like this but given the support and infrastructure necessary to support a Marine unit that wouldn’t be available in 150 AD, the answer is no. After the Marines destroyed the Romans in a battle or two, they’d run out of fuel and bullets, etc. and it would turn into hand-to-hand combat. The Romans would overwhelm them.


20 posted on 02/17/2017 10:39:26 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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