No, they agree with me. I've read plenty of their writings, and certainly enough to know that the "grievances" was an effort to secure support in Europe. The founders themselves would have asserted the right to self government no matter what the King had done.
I suspect I am wasting my time. I suspect that your next message will be another iteration of "the founders agree with me!" followed by another iteration of the text you keep quoting.
James Otis goes straight to the point in his "The Rights of the British Colonists Asserted and Proved", but I suspect you will not read Otis, nor will you read Rutherford, nor will you read anything else I submit which blatantly contradicts your wrong headed idea.
As I said before, you simply want your own world view, and facts be D@mned.
Looks like you’re projecting there, DL. Your claim is opposed to the actual text of the D of I which you avoid acknowledging at all costs, much less address.
Fine couldn’t care less.
This discussion has reached its end. We’re done. Have a good day.
Not true until 1776, after the King effectively declared war on Americans and Franklin returned from London to Philadelphia to help write the Declaration of Independence.
In all the years before, Franklin worked tirelessly to negotiate better terms & conditions for Americans, including representation in Parliament.
Had Franklin's worked proved more successful, events in 1775 would have taken a very different course indeed.