[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp to Jim 0216: "The founders themselves would have asserted the right to self government no matter what the King had done."

Not true until 1776, after the King effectively declared war on Americans and Franklin returned from London to Philadelphia to help write the Declaration of Independence.

In all the years before, Franklin worked tirelessly to negotiate better terms & conditions for Americans, including representation in Parliament.
Had Franklin's worked proved more successful, events in 1775 would have taken a very different course indeed.

[DiogenesLamp]

Read James Otis. "The Rights of the British Colonies asserted and proved."

Otis was the man who started the revolution. If you don't believe me, just read what John Adams said about him.