Posted on 01/01/2017 6:12:41 AM PST by C19fan
In March 2015, one of the largest nuclear-powered warships in the world was “sunk” by one of the smallest. The Saphir, a French nuclear attack submarine, reportedly penetrated the defenses of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt and scored simulated torpedo hits on her. The incident, originally reported by the French Navy, was later suppressed.
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The sea and the governments bother me more than the skimmer fleet or the zoomie club
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JelMSybwYDE
Old Neptune tried to suppress me that is for sure
Yer a hoot LOL
Brought in the New year with a Marine last night and we dogged each other but are friends
Funny thing going to the origin of this post, more people get killed in peacetime exercises than real ops.
Well an inordinate amount
Trashing the surface Navy and Carrier ops in general calling them obsolete crosses the line. A lot of unaware people are swayed but these forums and get the wrong impression. You know that without CVBGs and the amphibious fleet we have no Navy. So knock it off. It’s one Navy.
I was trashing no one nor giving away methods or means
I wish some one would let me fly an old A10 Warthog
They call them obsolete
BAHHHH!
IMO, Carrier battle groups will be easy targets in any major war. Given today’s surveillance tech, there will be no place for the carriers to hide from enemy ballistic missiles, high speed surface skimming missiles, & stealthy submarines. One hit from a nuclear tipped missile or torpedo will decimate a carrier battle group. A growing number of not so friendly countries possess this capability.
A carrier battle group, in order to get its planes within range of an enemy country, must move deeply into range of enemy land based missiles & war planes. The enemy will know far in advance of any such incursion, having spotted & tracked the group, probably since it left port. Given the relative slow movement of the group, the enemy will have much time & opportunity to engage it long before it reaches its objective.
Ships are limited in the armaments they carry. Ships having 100 anti-ballistic missiles are great until 200 ballistic missiles are fired at them. Land based war systems have no such limitations of space & carrying capacity, & as with ICBMs, range is not a factor.
In any major war, say between the US & China or Russia, a carrier battle group will be virtually useless against the rain of missiles coming at it. Even if it manages to defend itself, its defenses would be depleated long before it can engage the enemy offensively.
Neither enemy would hesitate to nuke such a group, if for no other reason than to give us a devastating morale blow, as well as a huge economic blow. Replacing a trillion dollar battle group is not doable very often without bankrupting the nation, nor is it something that can be done quickly & easily during a major war.
For a carrier to contribute in the next major war, the enemy’s surveillance capability will have to be crippled along with much of its missile arsenal. Until then, the carrier will have to depend on land based defense, such as it is (pathetic), in the US, or stay as far away from the enemy missiles/submarines as possible.
What we are left with are extremely expensive carrier battle groups that are only effective against relatively weak opponents - Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan. For more powerful enemies they are irresistible, relatively easy targets.
If I controlled the money I’d spend it on missile technology & space warfare - the next war, & stop trying to prepare to fight WWII again.
Battleship Mentality? Not even that, a fleet of expensive coastal defense ships tells the story. Save us from Mabus. The Sec. Of Navy, with his head totally immersed in Obama Rectal Mass has overseen the weakening of the U.S. Navy on Purpose. USS Gabriel Giffords, now that’s a ship to strike fear in the hearts Chinese Admirals. It’s almost as if the Administration set about ways to weaken us...and yet make a few people crazy rich.
Thank God you DON’T control the money because you are just plan ignorant. Our enemies think of way to attack our fleet and idiots like you think of ways to not build our fleet in the first place.
The Exocet was devastating in the Falklands
I’m going deep
One of our old diesel boats, Santa Fe ate it there, but she got her licks in if I recall correctly
2015 ,Obama term so there’s no one in charge and the crew were told to ignore EVERYTHING ?
“IIRC, there was also a case of a Chinese submarine surfacing inside the wires of a Carrier Battle Group.”
Doesn’t mean we didn’t know it was there, just that we didn’t sink it.
Yeah....that’s the ticket.
“It was simply a case of mistaken identity...”
Or, the French Saphir had a white flag lashed to their periscope.
“...small nuclear warheads on torpedoes the sub does not have to get even close...”
That works equally well in reverse as the hydraulic pressure wave would be enormous and effective against subs.
Reportedly the U.S. Navy believes the Chinese Dong Feng ballistic missile, specifically the DF21-D may have the ability to sink capital ships including carriers from a range of up to 2,000 km. The warhead comes almost straight down on its target at speeds in the neighborhood of 4,000 MPH (about twice the velocity of a bullet from a high-powered rifle).
A carrier has few defenses against an attack from such warhead in comparison to the counter-measures it can bring to bear against other incoming threats.
Chinese are now believed to have a sufficient number of Beidou satellites (COMPASS-G2) in orbit to make precision tracking and targeting possible.
This information is from 2011, so presumably the U.S. is developing the appropriate responses. The OBVIOUS response is to take out the Chinese targeting satellites.
There might also be a cyber countermeasure capable of interfering with the targeting.
BUT WAIT . . . we have a “leader” in the White House who thinks the Chinese are our friends (along with peace-loving Muslims) and the real enemies are ignorant, racist, xenophobic Americans who voted for Trump.
According to President ZERO, the only reason the Chinese would have created the carrier-killing DF21-D is out of concern for possible future American imperialist ambitions.
The French submarine switched sides? Did it change its name to “Vichy”?
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