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Guidelines for legal rental of church property. Vanity question.

Posted on 12/06/2016 10:47:09 AM PST by kyperman

I am the "kinda" campaign coordinator for a great guy that is running for public office in my state. That being said, I am looking for places to have events like town hall meetings.


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I am the "kinda" campaign coordinator for a great guy that is running for public office in my state. That being said, I am looking for places to have events like town hall meetings. There is a local church nearby that has a hall that it rents out for all sorts of things, wedding receptions, local business events, just all kinds of stuff. I asked them about the fee structure and was told that they dont rent out the hall for political events. I get that..they dont want to be forced to rent out the place for someone who would not share their beliefs...but it just kinda ticked me off they way it was said...just a NO, with no real explanation...I dont want to open a can of worms here and dont want to force the issue with them...but it just bugs me that they would be so scared of having to rent to liberals that they would basically throw the baby out with the bathwater... but maybe they have to be that way nowdays...does anyone know if its legal to do this? I surely dont want some stinkin liberal abortion rights candidate renting the place either.
1 posted on 12/06/2016 10:47:09 AM PST by kyperman
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It’s private property, they can set any restrictions they want. My guess is they don’t want to risk losing tax exempt status by seeming to endorse a particular political candidate.


2 posted on 12/06/2016 10:52:47 AM PST by NorthstarMom
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To: kyperman

Why are you expending so much mental energy? They said no. Respect that an move on.


3 posted on 12/06/2016 10:52:50 AM PST by Gamecock (Gun owner. Christian. Pro-American. Pro Law and Order. I am in the basket of deplorables.)
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but it just bugs me that they would be so scared of having to rent to liberals that they would basically throw the baby out with the bathwater

They have no choice in the matter as these days Liberals are all lawyered-up to the eyeballs. It's why some retailers no longer allow the Salvation Army to solicit. If you let them do it in front of the store, some union is suing for the same right thirty minutes later.


4 posted on 12/06/2016 10:56:09 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: kyperman

Try a fire hall or a separate room in a diner.

Church’s don’t get involved in political campaigns.


5 posted on 12/06/2016 10:56:24 AM PST by siamesecats (God closes one door, and opens another, to protect us.)
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To: kyperman

Churches are non profit and supposedly can’t use their sites for political purposes.

Of course the law seems to only work against Republicans.

If you are a Clintoon, Obama, BLMer, you can use a church anytime without the IRS going after the church.


6 posted on 12/06/2016 11:02:46 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Hey, whining losers,Trump will just go ahead & make things better for us without you!!!!")
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To: kyperman

Give it up. You need to be a democrat to use a church facility.


7 posted on 12/06/2016 11:04:26 AM PST by Nevadan
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To: kyperman

think “Johnson Amendment”
and all the implications.


8 posted on 12/06/2016 11:07:31 AM PST by RBStealth
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To: kyperman

Political affiliation is not a protected class in real estate transactions. Hence, even fewer restrictions.

PLUS are you sure the events that occur there are not initiated by members? If any kind of renting activity is exclusive to membership, they can basically do all the discriminating they want, even for housing.


9 posted on 12/06/2016 11:07:38 AM PST by fruser1
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To: kyperman

I accidentally deleted some of my post:

This is renting for an event, unlike renting an apartment, or commercial space in a shopping center. Hence even fewer restrictions.


10 posted on 12/06/2016 11:09:35 AM PST by fruser1
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To: kyperman

If you are “kinda” someone’s campaign coordinator, why would you want to “kinda” anger a church congregation.

The secret in winning elections is NOT to get the people who agree with you to vote for you. The secret is getting the people who generally agree with the other guy to vote for you.... or at least stay home on election day.


11 posted on 12/06/2016 11:13:40 AM PST by Strac6 (Sig Sauer, Pilatus, Mrs. Strac... all the fun things in my life are Swiss)
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To: RBStealth
think “Johnson Amendment”

Is that what they're calling it these days?


12 posted on 12/06/2016 11:14:51 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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If a religious organization does business with a political organization they run the risk of losing their tax free status.
My wife’s temple won’t rent their meeting facilities, but they offered it up free to a local RC church that burned down, until the church could rebuild.


13 posted on 12/06/2016 11:17:28 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Own a rifle. Be an American.)
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It puts the tax relief at risk. It is not unusual


14 posted on 12/06/2016 11:18:39 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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It is perfectly legal and completely reasonable just for the fact that campaigns are notorious for not paying their bills on time or in full.

I was apprised of this in the mid 80’s and to this day will not sell to candidate, campaign or party.

I watched over the years as many people and organizations went unpaid and not something I will entertain.

Also, the space rented is no longer available for what their board has said is an approved use as an outreach to the community.

I belong to a Masonic Lodge and there are certain groups we will support such as the local schools and related activities, Weddings and birthday parties, Boy Scouts and Girls Scouts.

I Think that covers our White List, meaning: Anything is else is exlcuded by not being on the list.

Particularly Political activities which are of a partisan nature, as we are non-partisan.

We are a polling station but, that is local community activity and non partisan.


15 posted on 12/06/2016 11:26:33 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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OK I get it, not illegal, not wrong, just wanted someone to explain the whys of it to me, someone smarter than me.


16 posted on 12/06/2016 11:33:48 AM PST by kyperman (Hows this for a face you love to hate.)
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To: Strac6

I am not angering anyone, which is why I have asked you folks for help...just wanted to know the hows and whys?


17 posted on 12/06/2016 11:35:17 AM PST by kyperman (Hows this for a face you love to hate.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

moron , keep your garbage to yourself


18 posted on 12/06/2016 11:36:38 AM PST by RBStealth
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My overall thought was, “drop it.”

Legally they are on firm ground. Even if they were a place of Interstate-Affected Public Accommodation, “politics or “political belief” is not a protected class.

Good luck.


19 posted on 12/06/2016 11:43:57 AM PST by Strac6 (Sig Sauer, Pilatus, Mrs. Strac... all the fun things in my life are Swiss)
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Yeah, I am dropping it...no use fighting battle that does not need to be fought...we will find another location...


20 posted on 12/06/2016 11:52:08 AM PST by kyperman (Hows this for a face you love to hate.)
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