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To: Swordmaker
There is no such cartridge designated ".45 Long Colt". Never has been and never will be. Nor is there a .45 Short Colt, .45 Extra Long Colt or .45 Extremely Long Colt.

Don't let wannabe gun nuts and ill informed gun writers lead you astray. The proper designation is .45 Colt. Period.

Just check with the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) or the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute (SAAMI).

Its the head stamp, Stupid!

And don't waste your time and mine by providing examples of others that are equally misinformed.

35 posted on 11/27/2016 3:46:17 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illegitimi non carborundum)
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To: Buffalo Head
Sure, but if you walk up to the counter at Walmart and ask if they have .45, chances are good the clerk is going to hand you a box of .45 ACP. Ruger Blackhawk 45 photo: Ruger Blackhawk Convertible 45 ruger45.jpg For your Ruger Blackhawk .45 long Colt. Of course with the extra cylinder yer good to go.
37 posted on 11/27/2016 3:57:09 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers, all armed conservatives)
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To: Buffalo Head

I believe it was nicknamed 45 Long Colt only to differentiate it from the .45 Schofield, which was extensively used by the Army.


43 posted on 11/27/2016 6:00:29 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Buffalo Head
There is no such cartridge designated ".45 Long Colt". Never has been and never will be. Nor is there a .45 Short Colt, .45 Extra Long Colt or .45 Extremely Long Colt.

That's very strange, because I have a 1880s period box of old, old ammo around here labelled .45 Long Colt. Strangely it was manufactured by. . . wait for it. . . Colt.


Left .45 Long Colt v. .45 S&W Schofield

The .45 Long Colt designation came about when the US Army adopted the 1873 .45 Colt . . . at the same time they were also purchasing the 1870 Smith and Wesson break top .45 S&W Schofield which used a shorter .45 round. These rounds could be easily be confused so the ordnance officers started specifically ordering the .45 LONG Colt to better differentiate it from the shorter .45 Smith and Wesson round which WOULD chamber in the Colt SAA. The reverse would not occur. The chambering and firing of the S&W rounds in the Colts caused jams and mis-fires as the .45 S&W dimensions were also smaller in diameter and had a tendency to expand too much.

Later, after Colt introduced the 1911 Auto, the confusion between to two Colt cartridges, one the .45 ACP, and the .45 Colt, still resulted in problems, so people started asking for either the .45 LONG Colt indicating the longer .45 Colt, and often even asking for the .45 SHORT ammo. . . meaning the .45 ACP. . . because people were confused which they needed. This was further confused with the introduction of the Colt (Model 1917) and Smith & Wesson (Model 25-2) revolvers that were capable of shooting BOTH cartridges, using a moon clip to load the .45 ACP into the cylinders that would chamber the 45 Colt (or the .45 LONG Colt cartridge.

As mentioned in Wikipedia:

"It is sometimes referred to as .45 Long Colt or .45LC, to differentiate it from the shorter .45 S&W Schofield, as both were used by the Army at the same period of time prior to the adoption of the M1887 Govt.[1]"

The US Army armorers designated the cartridges in their orders as .45 Long Colt because the .45 S&W Schofield would chamber in the Colts but COULD occasionally over pressure the Colts do to fouling and mistiming issues if used in the Colts. . .

The use of the .45 Long Colt designation started WAY before the 20th Century and is a time honored designation in both antique and gun shops.

All of this "usage" PREDATES such organizations as the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) or the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute (SAAMI).

I assure you that in the 1970s the gun parlance was to refer to the .45 Colt as the .45 Long Colt and it was neither STUPID nor IGNORANT to do so because that is what the users of the cartridge referred to when asking for the ammo. I've sold one hell of a lot of it, variously as .45 Colt, .45 LC, or .45 Long Colt. All are considered correct and help differentiate the round from other .45 rounds.

Now, Mr. Pedantic. Look at this and tell me what is correct, the normal everyday usage of what you can fit on a HEAD STAMP! Do you see what every single one of these are being sold as in their descriptions?

While I have never seen a .45 Long Colt head stamp, I do have cartridges with the HEAD STAMP of .45 LC on them. What, pray tell, does the "L" stand for in "LC", Buffalo Head?


Next time you want to call someone "Stupid!" be sure you are on firm common usage, industry, historical, and factual grounds.

44 posted on 11/27/2016 6:42:09 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Buffalo Head; All
a 45 Caliber Debate Over Nothing
71 posted on 11/28/2016 7:54:51 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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