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Apple acted rightly on this.

I have been the executor of estates three times and I can tell you that absent letters testamentary establishing legal Power of Attorney for the estate of the deceased, or a copy of the deceased person's will, or powers of a trustee for a legal trust with ownership of the deceased's property, the contents of the computer must remain private until a court of appropriate jurisdiction determines who is allowed possession of those data. The father may not be the legal next of kin.

Apple legally cannot make that decision to hand over that access. Apple could be held liable for releasing it to an unauthorized third party when a court does determine who should have gotten it.

1 posted on 08/29/2016 6:15:02 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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Yup.


2 posted on 08/29/2016 6:19:07 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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I'm in agreement with Apple on this as well.

It's not for them to determine who should have access. That's a matter for a probate court.

I would point out to the author of the article that if Apple needs to "get better at dying" then the average person needs to get better at "dying with electronic data."

I'll tell you straight up...if I were running Apple, I would use strong encryption securing the login to a computer such that it is impossible to crack it. Then, as a company, I can't be publicly pressured into doing something that is not physically possible, but is legally precarious if it were possible.
3 posted on 08/29/2016 6:20:07 PM PDT by JamesP81
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4 posted on 08/29/2016 6:22:57 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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The article is about far more than Apple, it is about establishing less-cumbersome means of granting permissions to others in case of demise. The author understands the status quo; he is asking for an improvement.


5 posted on 08/29/2016 6:23:41 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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Depending on the case, Apple should also say that they would like to help and will put their willingness to help in to their statement to the probate court, for example.


6 posted on 08/29/2016 6:29:43 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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I have been the executor of estates three times and I can tell you that absent letters testamentary establishing legal Power of Attorney for the estate of the deceased, or a copy of the deceased person's will, or powers of a trustee for a legal trust with ownership of the deceased's property, the contents of the computer must remain private until a court of appropriate jurisdiction determines who is allowed possession of those data. The father may not be the legal next of kin.

I love the lack of humanity on this thread. It explains so much of this world. Its like eating dust.

A man's son was murdered. He left music and art. His father wants it.

Yet all people see is corporate law.

Sodom and Gomorrah weren't about fags - they were about THIS.

Utter, socially suicidal, heartlessness.

In the name of the "law."

8 posted on 08/29/2016 6:36:48 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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Get a freakin will! And spell it out what happens with your stuff. So simple.


9 posted on 08/29/2016 6:37:40 PM PDT by sagar
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“Apple acted rightly on this.”

Oooh.

Apple never does wrong, of course they acted rightly.


13 posted on 08/29/2016 6:44:55 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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I am with Apple on this. Not to put to fine a point on this but...

Microsoft Mistakenly Leaks Secure Boot Key.

20 posted on 08/29/2016 7:01:22 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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If the guy set up FileVault (disk encryption) correctly, even Apple won’t be able to get at the data.


30 posted on 08/29/2016 7:34:55 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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I completely agree, if the family wants this information so badly, then getting the court order to do so is a minor irritation, and without any indication in his will or otherwise that he desired that data to be made available to his family, Apple should not be put in a position where it is making that decision.


31 posted on 08/29/2016 7:40:40 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Computer World is still around?

Wow!


32 posted on 08/29/2016 7:46:04 PM PDT by AFreeBird (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!)
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As a practical matter, if I want someone to have access to my data, I will give them the password while I am still alive.

This is a very easy thing to do, and leaves Apple or any other computer company completely out of the loop.

Otherwise, Apple is right on this.


34 posted on 08/29/2016 8:04:07 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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The dead tell no tales ...

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38 posted on 08/29/2016 8:20:51 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a Simple Manner for a Happy Life :o)
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I have no idea where that Mac is located or where the owner resided when he died.

But if the Mac is located in anywhere in Michigan, and if the owner resided in Michigan when he died, and if the Mac was not property of a trust, then the county probate court of his residence has absolute jurisdiction of the Mac until a personal representative (executor) is appointed. Spouses normally get priority for this, then children. That person would then be able to get an order for Apple to assist in retrieving the data.

Only the data and intellectual property owned by the decedent (or rights owned by the decedent) are property of the estate. Other data and intellectual property on the Mac remain property of the original owner.

The decedent’s interest in the data and intellectual property get distributed to the heirs according to the will or by the laws of intestacy. The father of the decedent may or may not be in line to inherit.

If Apple acts without a court order, someone else can sue and win.


43 posted on 08/29/2016 8:50:51 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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You can think of the data on the Mac like the contents of a safe deposit box. The bank isn’t giving anybody the key without a court order.


44 posted on 08/29/2016 8:53:35 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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This is stupid of Apple.

The father is now the owner of the computer, and Apple should be willing to help someone recover stuff from their own computer.

If they refuse, the world may never see the son's artwork.

50 posted on 08/29/2016 10:03:13 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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I gotta agree with Apple on this one.


52 posted on 08/29/2016 10:29:01 PM PDT by glorgau
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The story from the BBC:

Morgan Heir murder: MPs' help sought in Apple laptop fight— BBC — 28 August 2016


Colin Hehir said his son's artwork, seen behind him, was stored on the laptop

A father has called on MPs to help force computer giant Apple to unlock his murdered son's laptop.

Morgan Hehir, 20, from Nuneaton, Warwickshire, was stabbed with a steak knife in the street on 31 October last year. Three men were jailed in June.

His father Colin said last month that Apple told him he must obtain a court order to access his son's artwork.

He said he wants Parliament to discuss Apple's terms and conditions.

"I do want to push this to Parliament because I believe the terms and conditions are unfair," he said.


Morgan Heir was an artist and a musician

Mr Heir said he had been contacted by other bereaved families who have encountered the same problem, not just with Apple.

"If we have probate, you should be allowed access. Simple as that."

He said his son was a painter and a musician, who stored his work on the laptop, which he wanted to see.

He described his son as a "contributor to the community" and said he and the family would not have been able to cope following the killing had it not been for the help of friends within that community.

A music and arts festival, organized by friends and family, was held in Nuneaton on Saturday in Morgan's memory.

Apple has said that due to the absence of permission for third party access to the account, "it is impossible to be certain what access the user would have wanted and we do not consider it is appropriate that Apple make the decision". It advised the family to obtain a court order, adding that the company recognized the "extremely difficult" situation.

The probate court should issue Letters Testamentary which give the Executor the power of attorney to have Apple unlock the laptop. If they did not present those, which are the orders Apple is looking to see, their hands are tied.

When I was an executor, I was given such letters, signed by the Probate Court Judge, which I could copy as necessary to give to various fiducially responsible companies so they could release data, money, access to accounts, etc. The companies usually wanted to see the original with the Court Embossed Seal, but they were happy to file the copies. They were like magic keys that unlocked doors for me. Without those letters, I couldn't get squat done, with them, it was as if I were the deceased doing what the deceased could do with his property.

53 posted on 08/29/2016 10:38:37 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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I concur. Apple is the only corporation that takes privacy rights seriously.


57 posted on 08/29/2016 11:40:52 PM PDT by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces!)
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