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To: Swordmaker
I have been the executor of estates three times and I can tell you that absent letters testamentary establishing legal Power of Attorney for the estate of the deceased, or a copy of the deceased person's will, or powers of a trustee for a legal trust with ownership of the deceased's property, the contents of the computer must remain private until a court of appropriate jurisdiction determines who is allowed possession of those data. The father may not be the legal next of kin.

I love the lack of humanity on this thread. It explains so much of this world. Its like eating dust.

A man's son was murdered. He left music and art. His father wants it.

Yet all people see is corporate law.

Sodom and Gomorrah weren't about fags - they were about THIS.

Utter, socially suicidal, heartlessness.

In the name of the "law."

8 posted on 08/29/2016 6:36:48 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

“Yet all people see is corporate law.

Sodom and Gomorrah weren’t about fags - they were about THIS.

Utter, socially suicidal, heartlessness.

In the name of the “law.” “

Either you follow ALL laws or you don’t. Laws should be blindly applied. If you pick and choose, Hillaries of the world will be treated differently. And they are treated differently. No exception. If the law is in the books, either repeal it or apply it!


10 posted on 08/29/2016 6:40:04 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Talisker
I can see your point, but believe it or not I hafta side with Apple and Swordy on this one.

Who knows the real relationship between the deceased and his Dad?
Who gets to decide who all has access to the deceased's data?
As soon an Apple complied and it was used in an untoward way someone with the help of an ambulance chaser would seek the deep pockets.
That's a tricky thing. Prolly best established with a legal doc or precedent.

Opinions will vary. But laws should not be subject to feelings. It makes things "muddy". d:^)

14 posted on 08/29/2016 6:50:02 PM PDT by CopperTop
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To: Talisker
Sodom and Gomorrah weren't about fags - they were about THIS.

They were about both.

A man's son was murdered. He left music and art. His father wants it.

Does the father have a right to his son's property? What if the son wrote out a statement saying he did not want anyone in his family to get ahold of it.
17 posted on 08/29/2016 6:56:47 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: Talisker
In the name of the "law."

Sorry, I disagree, Talisker, it isn't corporate law, it's probate law, the law of inheritance and trusts that controls this, as well as the law of liability. Law is what keeps us civilized and the balance between people straight.

How do you know that the father and son were not estranged and the son would prefer that his songs and art would go to his wife, if he had one? Or his girlfriend? Of a brother? Perhaps he had children? It is NOT Apple's choice WHO gets access when all they have is the father's word about it. They could be SUED by the actual legal heir if they just give the father access.

Do you know what ELSE is on that computer other than the art and music???

The humanity is to make sure that the son's wishes are met, not his father's, but his, to make sure that his TRUE heir gets his property. It very well may be his father, but until a proper ruling is made, Apple cannot just give the father access.

How would you feel if you were the rightful heir and someone just gave YOUR inheritance to the first person who asked? Trust me, it has happened. What would you do? Would you sue? The author of the "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" died intestate and his girlfriend of 20 years had possession of his computer with the next several books on it. . . but his family, his legal heirs, are STILL fighting for possession of it. Another party has possession of the last completed and ready to publish book. . . and won't let go of it. Same problem. Who really owns rights? The girlfriend of 20 years has property rights in Sweden, but what are they? Only a court can tell.

Certainly a private company cannot make that determination. If they did, it would be at their financial risk. Possibly a HUGE risk.

27 posted on 08/29/2016 7:18:48 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Talisker

Maybe he wouldn’t want his parents to see the porn he looked at. Ever think of THAT?


42 posted on 08/29/2016 8:37:08 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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To: Talisker
It is also about the wishes of the deceased. If no provision is made for access, no business wants the associated liability without having government sanction of their actions. There is a tremendous potential liability here. I know it sounds heartless of the company, but they have to deal with the law and potential risks as it exists.

Unfortunately, bad things happen to good people. I do hope they are able to recover their son's art. It will just likely take time.

61 posted on 08/30/2016 10:14:58 AM PDT by zeugma (Welcome to the "interesting times" you were warned about.)
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