Posted on 08/25/2016 10:06:18 AM PDT by nickcarraway
No one thought this could happen.
The NFL went into a lockout to prevent things like this from happening. It seemed to be one of the only things that the NFL Players’ Association and the league’s owners agreed upon in that lockout.
Yet, somehow, there’s a rookie holdout.
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The Chargers are following the template as defined in the CBA. Outside of that there’s also a “normal procedure” that includes not having certain recuperative clauses in contracts for the first 10 draft picks, and the Chargers are ignoring that. Since it’s not in the CBA they don’t have to. It’s just the way things tend to be done. Of course they “tend to be done” by teams that regularly pick in the top 10, ie BAD teams, so it might not actually be a good idea.
No, it has nothing to do with the Chargers stinking. Because many teams stink, but the Chargers are the ONLY team that pulls these shenanigans.
I don't really know anything about Bosa, but can you tell me why he alone deserves to make this concession out of all the first round picks since the current iteration of the agreement in 2011? Why should he be singles out? This year's 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, etc. overall picks didn't have to concede this, so why should he?
No it DEFINITELY has to do with the Chargers stinking. As I said and you edited out: if the Pats were doing this it would be considered an example of how much smarter they are than everybody else.
They are NOT the only team doing this. Those clauses are STANDARD in contracts for players drafter after 10. For whatever reason top 10 picks only generally get 1 of the 2 clauses. Why should the top 10 be singled out? Players 11 through 253 signed contracts with both clauses, why shouldn’t the top 10?
Hmmm. If the Pats did this, they would (rightly) be vilified as a evil and cheating team. I doubt anyone outside pathological Patriots fans would defend it. If my personal favorite team did this, I would be slamming them for it.
But the fact that argues against your point is that in the last 15 years, ONLY the Chargers have tried to screw their first round draft picks so egregiously. The Chargers.
The 2011 agreement's floor was set because of the Charger's ceiling.
LOL. I don't know if the line is quite clearly drawn at #10, as you say, but the reason why the first so many picks of the first round have leverage, is because they are so in demand, and considered most likely players to impact a team.
But, still, I must ask, since the current agreement started in 2011, 60 players were drafted in the first round. And only one player has been asked to make these concessions. So why should Bosa accept the inferior contract?
Why should he be given less consideration than draft picks #4-#10 this year? Why should he accept less than the 42 players drafted after #3 since 2011?
I still haven't heard a justification of why he should accept it.
What the Chargers are trying to do violates the spirit and the letter of NFL's rookie contract agreement.
The only reason the Pats don’t do this is that they don’t draft in the top 10. The 2 clauses are standard in contracts, just not for the top 10, meaning the Pats (and EVERY OTHER TEAM) are putting this in their contracts and NOBODY WHINES
The player isn’t getting screwed. They get the same amount of money. The only difference is the money gets spread across multiple years, and if the player gets cut AND resigned by somebody else they owe some of it back. In the end it’s actually good for the player, because with the payments spread they don’t actually owe any money, they just won’t get it.
The important part of rookie contracts is NOT the floor, it’s the ceiling. It was all put in place because too many players were holding out trying to get massive guaranteed money before playing a single NFL down. There is NO FLOOR, the wages are SET by draft position, the only things they really have to negotiate are how much is salary, how much is signing bonus, and the payment schedule.
We don’t know if only one player has been asked. We know one has OBJECTED enough to risk his career. Everything I’m reading says MOST (not all) teams drafting in the top 10 don’t put both clauses in THOSE contracts. But both clauses do appear in most of the rest of the drafts.
It’s NOT an inferior contract. He gets the same amount of money one way or the other. It’s really just ego strokes.
He should accept it because he’s a damned moron for not. Signing the contract he gets $17 million over the next 4 years, with a possible fifth year at $8 million. Not signing the contract he gets NOTHING. He gets to show up to the draft next year, where he won’t get picked number 3, he won’t get picked in the first round, there’s a really good chance he won’t get picked at all.
The Chargers are violating NEITHER the spirit NOR the letter. These are STANDARD contract clauses that have BOTH been in MOST of the rookie contracts under the new CBA including ALL the Chargers contracts. The only thing they’re not doing is they’re not providing the ego stroke to tell this player he’s special and only give him one of the standard structure clauses. Now they are dumb for letting it turn into this big a pissing contest. But so is Bosa. And in this regard Bosa is dumber, because he’s the guy pissing away $17 to $25 million bucks because the Chargers don’t feel like stroking him.
Here’s some fact that relate to your idea that the 4th round pick doesn’t get asked to do this:
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/08/26/nfl-joey-bosa-san-diego-chargers-showdown-a-toast-to-stubborness
“Rams and Jaguars—clubs that have been habitually near the top of the draft order of late—are the only teams left sacrificing offset language; that half the NFL’s teams insist on offsets and deferrals; and that teams average 30% deferral past the current calendar year on this kind of bonus money, while they’re asking Bosa to defer only 15%.
“This bleep-storm blossomed after Ezekiel Elliott, Bosa’s former Ohio State teammate, was selected fourth overall by the Cowboys. One spot behind Bosa, Dallas got Elliott on a deal that included offset language and deferred 39% of the bonus payment to 2017. By comparison, the last three fourth-overall picks (Lane Johnson, Sammy Watkins and Amari Cooper) all got their money by October of their draft years.”
So the reality is not only did the 4th rounder get asked to do this, he deferred much more money. Bosa’s being stupid. He should sign the damn thing.
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